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Reprocessing in Crius

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David Coverdale
Akhragan Excavation LLC
#1 - 2014-07-22 17:21:43 UTC
With the dramatic drop of reproc efficiency, does the new patch make it actually impossible to continue the life of a solo high-sec self-efficient miner-refiner? It seems that without a POS and the most expensive of refining implants, selling raw ore is now more profitable than even high-skilled reprocessing. Prove me wrong, please!
Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#2 - 2014-07-22 17:29:09 UTC
David Coverdale wrote:
With the dramatic drop of reproc efficiency, does the new patch make it actually impossible to continue the life of a solo high-sec self-efficient miner-refiner? It seems that without a POS and the most expensive of refining implants, selling raw ore is now more profitable than even high-skilled reprocessing. Prove me wrong, please!
It will take more training and a better implant but you can get equivalent ore refining yield with Crius. The ore pricing you are talking about might be because some players are going to want compressed ore instead of refined ore now.

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#3 - 2014-07-22 17:31:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
There isn't much difference in yield:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4770202#post4770202
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4780736#post4780736

There is increased demand for compressed ore, especially high-quality (10%) ores.
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2014-07-22 17:32:23 UTC
David Coverdale wrote:
With the dramatic drop of reproc efficiency, does the new patch make it actually impossible to continue the life of a solo high-sec self-efficient miner-refiner? It seems that without a POS and the most expensive of refining implants, selling raw ore is now more profitable than even high-skilled reprocessing. Prove me wrong, please!


You might note that the mineral content of all ores has been boosted to compensate.

Is that all the proof you need or do you want more?
Camel1001
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-07-22 18:33:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Camel1001
The worst thing with all this Crius stuff is that now you can not get more then ~78% efficiency without playing with POSes and other things. And even with them you will never be 100%. In fact, it frustrates me deeply. Yes, i know about bigger amount of minerals etc. Doesn`t matter. Bad idea.
Pheusia
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2014-07-22 18:58:23 UTC
Camel1001 wrote:
The worst thing with all this Crius stuff is that now you can not get more then ~78% efficiency without playing with POSes and other things. And even with them you will never be 100%. In fact, it frustrates me deeply. Yes, i know about bigger amount of minerals etc. Doesn`t matter. Bad idea.


So you're ending up with the same amount of minerals from a given amount of time spent mining but that's not good enough for you?

Sorry buddy, in that case I can't help you other than perhaps to suggest sitting in a corner and holding your breath until you get what you want.
Cournal JackoNeil
Lionel War Industries
Gooseflock Featheration
#7 - 2014-07-22 19:02:51 UTC
Refining in null with a outpost is awesom though. It's a win for null sec mining
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support
#8 - 2014-07-22 19:11:46 UTC
no, just sell your compressed ore and buy minerals from the market with the proceeds

you will get more minerals this way because the ore is worth more to people who have access to nullsec refineries than you can refine it for

sell compressed ore only
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#9 - 2014-07-22 19:29:01 UTC
Camel1001 wrote:
The worst thing with all this Crius stuff is that now you can not get more then ~78% efficiency without playing with POSes and other things. And even with them you will never be 100%. In fact, it frustrates me deeply. Yes, i know about bigger amount of minerals etc. Doesn`t matter. Bad idea.


The numbers were adjusted the way they were to get rid of using modules for ore compression which never made any sense and was a stupid mechanic. Now Ore compression is king for exporting from HS to null.

The yields on ore were increased, and the ore amount needed for a stack to refine reduced to 100. There might be miniscule differences in returns pre-crius and post-crius, but they are minimal. The fact that you see you are only getting %78 yield doesn't really mean much, the output is roughly the same. No one will get %100 yield on anything anywhere, which never made any sense anyways.
Brock Nelson
#10 - 2014-07-22 19:31:59 UTC
Promiscuous Female wrote:
no, just sell your compressed ore and buy minerals from the market with the proceeds

you will get more minerals this way because the ore is worth more to people who have access to nullsec refineries than you can refine it for

sell compressed ore only


Uhh...can...can I squeeze em?

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Qoi
Exert Force
#11 - 2014-07-22 19:38:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Qoi
Just online a POS one a month (only costs 10 fuel blocks), online a compression array, compress everything, unanchor and offline again, sell in market hub. No fuel cost overhead, requires no industry skills. Let the manufacturers handle the reprocessing, it will improve their logistics if they only have to transport compressed ore and not minerals. Everyone wins!

(Of course you need a moon for that. might want to team up with some people, since a compression array can compress virtually infinite ore.)

http://eve-industry.org
Camel1001
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-07-22 19:46:08 UTC
Katherine Raven wrote:
No one will get %100 yield on anything anywhere, which never made any sense anyways.

May be, but I am a perfectionist in spirit, and it is painful for me ;)
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#13 - 2014-07-23 13:28:58 UTC
Qoi wrote:
Just online a POS one a month (only costs 10 fuel blocks), online a compression array, compress everything, unanchor and offline again, sell in market hub. No fuel cost overhead, requires no industry skills. Let the manufacturers handle the reprocessing, it will improve their logistics if they only have to transport compressed ore and not minerals. Everyone wins!

(Of course you need a moon for that. might want to team up with some people, since a compression array can compress virtually infinite ore.)



It's also a handy storage space for ore, if you're, for example, mining in a system with no station.

20 million m3 iirc.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Careby
#14 - 2014-07-23 13:45:45 UTC
Steve Ronuken wrote:
It's also a handy storage space for ore, if you're, for example, mining in a system with no station.

20 million m3 iirc.

It's pretty hard to fill up. Just when I nearly had it filled, I clicked Compress and it was almost empty again.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#15 - 2014-07-23 13:55:45 UTC
A propos such "ninja" compressing at POS, forgive my ignorance but is it enough to have small tower and compression array and dump all ore in it with orca or whatever, compress, unload back to ship, rince and repeat until all ore is compressed? Or would I need to have storage structure whatever its name is to act as a input - output for compression array?

Asking for a friend, you know... :)

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#16 - 2014-07-23 14:36:26 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
A propos such "ninja" compressing at POS, forgive my ignorance but is it enough to have small tower and compression array and dump all ore in it with orca or whatever, compress, unload back to ship, rince and repeat until all ore is compressed? Or would I need to have storage structure whatever its name is to act as a input - output for compression array?

Asking for a friend, you know... :)



It's, iirc, a massive storage facility for ore.

you could keep dumping orca loads into it, and it'd laugh at you. You can then compress the stacks and take the loads out.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#17 - 2014-07-23 14:49:02 UTC
Thanks Steve.

I got back to devblog for closer look at pictures of compression array and it indeed has 20mil m3 ore/ice hold so tower + array is enough for compression purposes. For some reason I thought it acts only as a "service" and ore needs to be stored separately in another structure (never owned a POS before but now I kind of start thinking about it).

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#18 - 2014-07-23 16:12:59 UTC
Camel1001 wrote:
Katherine Raven wrote:
No one will get %100 yield on anything anywhere, which never made any sense anyways.

May be, but I am a perfectionist in spirit, and it is painful for me ;)

I'm more open with the fact that I suffer from OCD and that less than perfect really irks me ;)

But I see the changes as a chance for recovery ...

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-07-23 16:17:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu
David Coverdale wrote:
With the dramatic drop of reproc efficiency, does the new patch make it actually impossible to continue the life of a solo high-sec self-efficient miner-refiner? It seems that without a POS and the most expensive of refining implants, selling raw ore is now more profitable than even high-skilled reprocessing. Prove me wrong, please!


Capital builders will want to buy ore (or compressed ore, to be more exact).

They will be the bulk buyers of materials.

They will take care of refining in 0.0 where they get more minerals out of the ore.

Stop refining, start compressing - a small POS and a bit of equipment, can even be turned offline between compressing cycles to save fuel, nobody can shoot at it anyway unless they wardec you first, giving you plenty of time to take the POS down.
David Coverdale
Akhragan Excavation LLC
#20 - 2014-07-23 18:24:30 UTC  |  Edited by: David Coverdale
Jarnis McPieksu wrote:


Capital builders will want to buy ore (or compressed ore, to be more exact).

They will be the bulk buyers of materials.

They will take care of refining in 0.0 where they get more minerals out of the ore.

Stop refining, start compressing - a small POS and a bit of equipment, can even be turned offline between compressing cycles to save fuel, nobody can shoot at it anyway unless they wardec you first, giving you plenty of time to take the POS down.



This seems like a decent advice.

But is there any guide on building this small ore compressing-oriented POS without additional costs? Just for the goal of stockpiling ore, compressing it and its future sale on the market.
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