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Crius Issues

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Fixy FixIT
Iron Whales
Goonswarm Federation
#141 - 2014-07-22 15:35:49 UTC
When installing a job at a POS, the cost of installing the job is being taken from the Corp Master Wallet........

Surely, this cost should come from the member who is installing the job. Even better if it was deducted from the member and given to the Corp Master Wallet as charge for using corp labs.

Currently its given to Secure Commerce Commission.

Is this intentional or is it a bug ?

Regards.
Zylawy
Z3 Inc.
#142 - 2014-07-22 15:37:51 UTC
Our tax rate is set to 0% at our POS but yet we are still paying taxes. Is this intended?
Echo Mande
#143 - 2014-07-22 15:39:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Echo Mande
I've got a bunch of manufacturing jobs (on my alts) that were finished but not delivered before the patch but that I can't seem to deliver.

I get the error message: You can't add the Cap Recharger II as there simply isn't enough room for it to fit. It takes up 49.98 units of volume, and there are only 19.57 left.

I remote started these jobs from my office to run at my POS. All arrays at the POS have more than enough room.
CCP Contra
C C P
C C P Alliance
#144 - 2014-07-22 15:40:36 UTC
Fixy FixIT wrote:
When installing a job at a POS, the cost of installing the job is being taken from the Corp Master Wallet........

Surely, this cost should come from the member who is installing the job. Even better if it was deducted from the member and given to the Corp Master Wallet as charge for using corp labs.

Currently its given to Secure Commerce Commission.

Is this intentional or is it a bug ?

Regards.


By Design
CCP Contra
C C P
C C P Alliance
#145 - 2014-07-22 15:41:18 UTC
Echo Mande wrote:
I've got a bunch of manufacturing jobs that were finished but not delivered before the patch but that I can't seem to deliver.

I get the error message: You can't add the Cap Recharger II as there simply isn't enough room for it to fit. It takes up 49.98 units of volume, and there are only 19.57 left.

I remote started these jobs from my office to run at my POS. All arrays at the POS have more than enough room.


The remote jobs were moved from the POS to the office after the upgrade.
Balani
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#146 - 2014-07-22 15:43:56 UTC
Echo Mande wrote:
I've got a bunch of manufacturing jobs (on my alts) that were finished but not delivered before the patch but that I can't seem to deliver.

I get the error message: You can't add the Cap Recharger II as there simply isn't enough room for it to fit. It takes up 49.98 units of volume, and there are only 19.57 left.

I remote started these jobs from my office to run at my POS. All arrays at the POS have more than enough room.




same error like my last post
Echo Mande
#147 - 2014-07-22 15:50:17 UTC
CCP Contra wrote:
Echo Mande wrote:
I've got a bunch of manufacturing jobs that were finished but not delivered before the patch but that I can't seem to deliver.

I get the error message: You can't add the Cap Recharger II as there simply isn't enough room for it to fit. It takes up 49.98 units of volume, and there are only 19.57 left.

I remote started these jobs from my office to run at my POS. All arrays at the POS have more than enough room.


The remote jobs were moved from the POS to the office after the upgrade.


Found 'em. Your 'move' seems to have defaulted to a somewhat random can (probably first in a descending sort) which in my case was a small standard can. This is odd because I started my jobs from the hangar floor and irritating because I have quite a number of cans in each hangar. Repackaging the can I found the first deliveries in solved the problem.
Veinnail
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#148 - 2014-07-22 15:51:24 UTC
Miyazaki Hetoshi wrote:


Eliminating 90% of the reason to even use a POS?



yes because conflict drivers were the reason, not the isk sink... im with you man
penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#149 - 2014-07-22 15:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: penifSMASH
Not sure if this is necessarily a bug, but a "Propose unlock blueprint" option in the industry tab would be dandy.
Pram Face
Dogz Bollocks
#150 - 2014-07-22 15:52:03 UTC
So anyone who wants to use a pos for research, manufacture needs full access to corp wallet.

I cannot see this happening for 99% of non directors.

This will kill pos use


CCP Contra wrote:
Fixy FixIT wrote:
When installing a job at a POS, the cost of installing the job is being taken from the Corp Master Wallet........

Surely, this cost should come from the member who is installing the job. Even better if it was deducted from the member and given to the Corp Master Wallet as charge for using corp labs.

Currently its given to Secure Commerce Commission.

Is this intentional or is it a bug ?

Regards.


By Design

Veinnail
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#151 - 2014-07-22 15:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Veinnail
CCP Contra wrote:
Fixy FixIT wrote:
When installing a job at a POS, the cost of installing the job is being taken from the Corp Master Wallet........

Surely, this cost should come from the member who is installing the job. Even better if it was deducted from the member and given to the Corp Master Wallet as charge for using corp labs.

Currently its given to Secure Commerce Commission.

Is this intentional or is it a bug ?

Regards.


By Design


why?

Edit: for industrial corps, slot fees payed in to SCC negate most benefits of even running a tower. especially if they are held to the same scaled costing as empire npc lab / manufacturing slots.

Added risk by removing remote bpo usage.
Added cost by scaled slot availability fees.
Given arbitrary boost to slot bonuses, which is negated by fees and hazarded by risk.

to what end? watch that market trend
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#152 - 2014-07-22 15:55:21 UTC
Reposting from crius known issues since that thread was closed:

Masao Kurata wrote:
I notice that problems with "view in industry" are conspicuously absent from these known issues. Surely you didn't close all my bug reports just because you fixed one bug which resulted in bpc output showing bpo activities when viewed in industry? (Hint hint please for god's sake implement a user facing bug tracker so that we can see when you close our issues.) "View in industry" is still almost completely non-functional:


Research job output does not reflect the new efficiency levels when viewed in industry, it always shows 0/0 ME/TE regardless of the input, the research type and the number of runs.
Copying job output has the same efficiency issue but additionally has "-1" runs remaining regardless of the number of runs you specified in the copying job.
Invention, like copying, always shows 0 ME, 0 TE and -1 runs.
a newbie
Kenbishi Heavy Industries Inc.
#153 - 2014-07-22 16:01:11 UTC  |  Edited by: a newbie
Upon logging into the game and moving BPs to a science facility to research ME, I encountered two of the following bugs:

Research Station unable to create job:
I docked in the Simela Proteque station equipped with all of the science facilities but no manufacturing. Once docked I attempted to run a single ME job on a BP. When clicking start, I was prompted with "Could not create job". I then noticed that the facility part of the window on the top right was defaulting to the Sisters of EVE station in the same system, so I clicked it once and selected the correct facility. Now its hashed RED as in CANNOT USE. I click it again, and it defaults to SoE station again. Again, not the station I am docked in, but another location. I tried to troubleshoot this but thats when I encountered the bug below.


BPs missing from S&I Window after moving them:
I moved BPs from Hanger to Cargohold and then back to hanger to refresh the content list. It has now been 30 minutes that the S&I window will not list a single BPO. I have closed S&I, undocked/redocked, logged off, etc. I can SEE them in my hanger, but S&I refuses to update with contents.

Bug report submitted but this is so others can see.

...um.. fire?

CCP Contra
C C P
C C P Alliance
#154 - 2014-07-22 16:02:06 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
Reposting from crius known issues since that thread was closed:

Masao Kurata wrote:
I notice that problems with "view in industry" are conspicuously absent from these known issues. Surely you didn't close all my bug reports just because you fixed one bug which resulted in bpc output showing bpo activities when viewed in industry? (Hint hint please for god's sake implement a user facing bug tracker so that we can see when you close our issues.) "View in industry" is still almost completely non-functional:


Research job output does not reflect the new efficiency levels when viewed in industry, it always shows 0/0 ME/TE regardless of the input, the research type and the number of runs.
Copying job output has the same efficiency issue but additionally has "-1" runs remaining regardless of the number of runs you specified in the copying job.
Invention, like copying, always shows 0 ME, 0 TE and -1 runs.


Indeed it should be in the list of known issues. Thanks.
Quazal Atreides
StarTrucks
Prometheus Allegiance
#155 - 2014-07-22 16:03:56 UTC
Whilst i have not read all the posts, I wil be raising this issue as bug

But scaling UI is problematic

Please see my gyazo cut image, not matter how much i move the box around it doesn't refit

http://gyazo.com/f54e4bfde2228d7062d018cc91c0bac9

I did raise this on the test server and thought i had been fixed

Still the only person to offer corp creation free of charge. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=35634#post35634 Created over 200 was 3rd on the all time corporation job history on eve-board. This service is in stasis due to personal game time...

Miyazaki Hetoshi
Hetoshi Traders Incorporated
#156 - 2014-07-22 16:10:30 UTC
Veinnail wrote:
Miyazaki Hetoshi wrote:


Eliminating 90% of the reason to even use a POS?



yes because conflict drivers were the reason, not the isk sink... im with you man



A lot of the incentive to do jobs in POS over Stations was due to not being charged the Secure Commission Fee.

Now this fee has given less of a reason to put BPOs and BPCs in a POS. If i'm eating the cost of starting the job anyway, I might as well do it in a station, where there is less conflict drivers.
Victor Helion
Helion Ventures
#157 - 2014-07-22 16:11:24 UTC
Job costs on ME research appear to be completely screwed. Just plugged in a fullerene intercalated sheets BPO in one of my tower labs to ME10 and this happened:

2014.07.22 15:59:07 Researching Material Efficiency -255,002,744.00 ISK Material efficiency research job fee between Helion Ventures and Secure Commerce Commission (Job ID: 229989219)

That's 255 million isk to research a BPO that costs 10m to buy.
CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp
#158 - 2014-07-22 16:16:06 UTC
Victor Helion wrote:
Job costs on ME research appear to be completely screwed. Just plugged in a fullerene intercalated sheets BPO in one of my tower labs to ME10 and this happened:

2014.07.22 15:59:07 Researching Material Efficiency -255,002,744.00 ISK Material efficiency research job fee between Helion Ventures and Secure Commerce Commission (Job ID: 229989219)

That's 255 million isk to research a BPO that costs 10m to buy.


We have begun looking into the cost system to see if the prices it is requiring are correct or not.

Feel free to poke me on: Twitter

Raven Loonatic
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#159 - 2014-07-22 16:17:06 UTC
When I flew out of the force field in a POS that had me set to blue 10 standing, I lost my ship to the control tower. The corp has it set to only shoot if lower than .5 standing. After I lost the ship, I flew back inside the force field in my pod, so the tower shot me down but let me go back inside the bubble anyway.
Victor Helion
Helion Ventures
#160 - 2014-07-22 16:21:14 UTC
CCP RubberBAND wrote:
Victor Helion wrote:
Job costs on ME research appear to be completely screwed. Just plugged in a fullerene intercalated sheets BPO in one of my tower labs to ME10 and this happened:

2014.07.22 15:59:07 Researching Material Efficiency -255,002,744.00 ISK Material efficiency research job fee between Helion Ventures and Secure Commerce Commission (Job ID: 229989219)

That's 255 million isk to research a BPO that costs 10m to buy.


We have begun looking into the cost system to see if the prices it is requiring are correct or not.


Found a couple more:

Emergent neurovisual interface, 392 million for ME 10.

Neurovisual output analyzer, 592 million for ME 10.