EVE General Discussion

So, CCP. Let's recap. Back in February you released a devblog regarding your supposed need to own alliance logos and extend free usage to players, expecting this to be acceptable to players. Well it wasn't. After two months of stonewalling on the subject you suspended alliance logo submissions entirely. Your most recent word on the subject was almost three months ago.

I'm just curious, really, what your lawyers have been doing this entire time and why you still haven't been able to adopt or even consider alternative solutions. Why you've left alliances in the dark for months. Why you've gone completely cold and ignored us on this subject. So this is a little reminder. We're still waiting for you to make up your mind.

Those little pictures can mean a lot to people. A shared identity is an important part of a social group, and logos represent the identity.

Have alliance logo's ever not been owned by CCP since their inception? Or is this just another bunch of useless raging because something became known that has been like that forever?

CCP's legal reasons for having to own the content in their game are pretty straight forward.

The whole point is that ccp is trying to claim ownership over something they can not claim ownership of in many countries.

As a german citizen any kind of artwork I create is protected by copyright laws and by law i am not able to transfer ownership of my intellectual property. The only thing I can do is give someone a license to use my artwork. These licenses can be in many different forms.

The version James stated is good enough for ccp to have everything they need and leaves people the option to use their own Logos to sell merchandise with their own alliance Logo without ccp having any word in it, which judging by how things went so far is something ccp is against and they so far have failed to deliver a reasonable argument why they actually want to claim pps intellectual property (which again is not even possible in many cases), instead of just being fine with a free license for the Logos that allows them to use them however they please.

Oddly, that's what I thought the basically had under the old system?

Part of the problem is that alliance logos are not always used as-is, rather CCP can adjust them, which makes the in-game ones a derived work. CCP has to own the derived works to prevent others from using them, or to dictate licensing terms.

The in-game logos belonging to CCP isn't really something people care about, but they do care about CCP having rights to the submitted images and all derived works.

For now, the alliance logos that are in game will remain there, however we won't be accepting any new submissions.

In terms of a resolution to the issue, we'll be looking at it as part of a rehash of corporations and alliances in an upcoming release.

There's no timeframe for this release as of yet, and the situation can be considered as unchanged as of now.

Since there's already a multitude of threads open on this, this one is being locked.

Keep discussion in this thread.