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Stealth Orca nerf round #2
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Zendon Taredi
Tier Four Technologies
#81 - 2011-12-06 13:07:54 UTC
awww, that's terrible. have a lollipop.
Sugar Diick
Suddenly Violence
#82 - 2011-12-06 16:12:18 UTC
Pandorath wrote:
It's disgusting to see how those hipster bears whiteknight every forum thread with their puny moral prejudices...


Sugar approves of the above comment
RC Denton
Shazaam Industries
#83 - 2011-12-06 20:24:18 UTC
I think it should be allowed as long as the scooping orca gets flagged if the ship being scooped is flagged. This still allows the griefer to switch ships and go after the carebear, but it removes the orcas immunity from being shot at and makes it a much riskier affair for the griefer.

I.E. Pilot in frigate ninja loots or whatever so they start flashing for the mission runner, if the orca scoops that ship then the orca should be flashy also.
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2011-12-06 22:15:57 UTC
griefer tears, best tears
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Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#85 - 2011-12-07 00:36:51 UTC
Lunkwill Khashour wrote:
Just have to Orca take the aggro from the ship it scoops. The runner will see the Orca flash on oversight and know more stuff is up. This way low sec doesn't function differently from high sec.


This.

If the Orca picks up the aggro / flags the ship it scoops, things suddenly get a bit riskier. And shouldnt it? If you scoop up or assist a pirate, you are declaring your allegiance / saying you are an accomplice to the act, and should be able to be fired on the same. :)



Most of the argument on the thread are on the exploit (and yes, it is an exploit) allowing the ship swap close by, with no penalty, and CCP's method of addressing it. Do I agree with their fixes so far? Partially, but not completly. I do think they are on the right track however.

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#86 - 2011-12-07 01:56:57 UTC
Pandorath wrote:
At least 90% of eve players are the so called bears, i do not expect that i will get much support. This however has nothing to do with ships corp hangars which still work.

Also
Tippia wrote:
Pandorath wrote:
It's not risk free pvp, its griefing.
You know that griefing isn't allowed in EVE and will get you banned, right?

Griefing in eve is allowed and is not bannable.
L2EvE


I'm glad you read and understood the EULA.

Sike you didn't, and have no clue.

Its tolerated and its banable.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
#87 - 2011-12-07 05:52:18 UTC
Funny how some people love saying 'adapt or die' but dont like it when someone else says it to them
Beliar Gray
I'm quitting Eve PV Rock I want to talk with you
#88 - 2011-12-07 14:16:06 UTC
Seems like you are saying we should just take it like nothing happend... Well we wont, we will adapt but seriously CCP and bears that get supported... Announce and include in patchnotes please?

This isnt tears its letting people know whats going on, but they have their heads stuck up their asses so deep they wont hear anything anyway...
Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#89 - 2011-12-07 15:38:51 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
griefer tears, best tears



This. Always amazes me how much more greifers cry/whine then carebears.
Marchland
State War Academy
Caldari State
#90 - 2011-12-07 16:24:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Marchland
Serial Chi wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
griefer tears, best tears



This. Always amazes me how much more greifers cry/whine then carebears.


They don't cry to you or the forums, they cry to CCP in petitions and quit the ******* game when they meet us. Shut your mouth.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#91 - 2011-12-07 16:24:58 UTC
So let me get this straight...

Griefers (sorry, calling them ninjas glorified the occupatin too much to merit that term) hopes to get a person who does not know all the mechanics of the game to engage them. The griefer then uses an obscure mechanic, allowing them to switch to a more effective ship, and kills the person. Much tears to be had.

Ccp, in turn, makes a change to the obscure mechanic, negating the trick to some degree. The griefer gets caught, loses ships, much tears to be had...

Seems like it is working exactly as intended and a collection of griefers encountered karmic pay back. Sounds good to me.
Marchland
State War Academy
Caldari State
#92 - 2011-12-07 16:27:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Marchland
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
So let me get this straight...

Griefers (sorry, calling them ninjas glorified the occupatin too much to merit that term) hopes to get a person who does not know all the mechanics of the game to engage them. The griefer then uses an obscure mechanic, allowing them to switch to a more effective ship, and kills the person. Much tears to be had.

Ccp, in turn, makes a change to the obscure mechanic, negating the trick to some degree. The griefer gets caught, loses ships, much tears to be had...

Seems like it is working exactly as intended and a collection of griefers encountered karmic pay back. Sounds good to me.


No griefers "get caught" and lose ships to mission runners. Please, ha. So let me get this straight... We're getting punished for knowing something the mission runners don't know? Get your head out of your ass. They didn't negate it to some degree, they changed the way a high-sec SMA works but didn't change the same mechanic in low-sec and then didn't say a ******* thing about it in the patch notes.

Edit: Added some stuff.
Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#93 - 2011-12-07 16:55:42 UTC
Marchland wrote:
Serial Chi wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
griefer tears, best tears



This. Always amazes me how much more greifers cry/whine then carebears.


They don't cry to you or the forums, they cry to CCP in petitions and quit the ******* game when they meet us. Shut your mouth.



Shut my mouth? you're the one whining like a little girl because some EXPLOITS are finally started to get addressed.

wah wah wah i want to kill and lose nothing. wah wah wah i want no risk but all rewards. wah wah wah

you are playing the wrong game. log back into your undead rogue and go gank some noobs in warsong. get all the kills you want and lose nothing.
Marchland
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2011-12-07 17:16:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Marchland
Serial Chi wrote:
Marchland wrote:
Serial Chi wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
griefer tears, best tears



This. Always amazes me how much more greifers cry/whine then carebears.


They don't cry to you or the forums, they cry to CCP in petitions and quit the ******* game when they meet us. Shut your mouth.



Shut my mouth? you're the one whining like a little girl because some EXPLOITS are finally started to get addressed.

wah wah wah i want to kill and lose nothing. wah wah wah i want no risk but all rewards. wah wah wah

you are playing the wrong game. log back into your undead rogue and go gank some noobs in warsong. get all the kills you want and lose nothing.


Mechanics people don't know about = exploits. Yes. Sure.

Also, well done resorting to WoW insults. Just because one knows the game better than someone else: cool exploit bro.
GreasyCarl Semah
A Game as Old as Empire
#95 - 2011-12-07 17:35:15 UTC
Marchland wrote:
Serial Chi wrote:
J3ssica Alba wrote:
griefer tears, best tears



This. Always amazes me how much more greifers cry/whine then carebears.


They don't cry to you or the forums, they cry to CCP in petitions and quit the ******* game when they meet us. Shut your mouth.


Art thou enraged, brother?
Ammzi
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#96 - 2011-12-07 19:23:06 UTC
Pandorath wrote:
Ariane VoxDei wrote:
Pandorath wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I approve of CCP taking steps to remove the risk free PvP that goes on in this game.

It's not risk free pvp, its griefing. I'm ok with the first patch apart from the stealthy backstab, the second one however was unnecessary, you couldn't run away if you were pointed anymore. CCP just made the mission runners that shoot you "risk free pvpers". So much for knowing what its about.

Hypocrite much? Since when has there been much risk in shooting a mission runner that has agressed back at you?

Dont see much nerf in not being able to scoop ships with the orca, while said ships are locked.
Why would your orca be ongrid anyway and if it isnt locking is a nonissue anyway.
I could see much hilarity if the orca inherited the flagging by scooping the ship though, suddenly that big fatboy would be on the line too for taking part in asshattery.


So its okay for bears to be able to shoot us without consequences but not okay for us to be able to kill them for it?

So much for calling me a hypocrite...

Bear/Missionrunner can choose to not shoot us OR call corpies for help. Im not sure you people realise that...


If you steal his stuff and he shoots you. You know you can shoot back, right?
Y U BEING SUCH A WUSS!?

And don't give me the "oh now I can't switch ships" argument. HTFU, adapt and learn to live with it.
Beliar Gray
I'm quitting Eve PV Rock I want to talk with you
#97 - 2011-12-07 20:32:18 UTC
Ammzi wrote:


If you steal his stuff and he shoots you. You know you can shoot back, right?
Y U BEING SUCH A WUSS!?

And don't give me the "oh now I can't switch ships" argument. HTFU, adapt and learn to live with it.


Wouldnt mind if we could bait in canes or effectively wardec bears, #1 it wont get shot and #2 they just leave the corp. So much about the lack of nerfs where they are actually needed.
Thredd Necro
Doomheim
#98 - 2011-12-07 20:39:57 UTC
Sphynix wrote:
Herr Wilkus wrote:

'Stealth' cargo bays are an abuse that allow risk-free hauling and risk-free trade profits. Huge amounts of valuable cargo and BPOs are moved in their corporate hangar bays every day. Large amounts of EHP already makes them difficult to gank - but no way to scan + 0% chance of dropping = risk free hauling in highsec.


Actually i'd see it as not "risk free hauling" because the risk of being successfully ganked is just as high. The real risk is to the gank'ees, after all - you can kill it just as easy, but do you get anything?

So the real whine with this one isn't that it's risk free - but that your "piracy" attempts aren't guaranteed to give you (the chance of) phat lewts.


Increased Risk + Increased Reward = Relatively REDUCED Risk due to increased payouts. This is a game and pays MUCH better than any casino you choose to go to.

Death is meaningless and ship loss and skill point replacement because you neglected to update your clone are mere matters of time. It's not truly increased risk if the payouts, in whatever form, make up for the increased risk. That makes the increased payments an EQUALIZER thus rendering the concept of "increased risk" utterly and absolutely meaningless...Bear

He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which. - Douglas Adams
Ulstan
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#99 - 2011-12-07 20:54:40 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
The name of the game is getting a CNR to shoot at your frigate, keeping the CNR scrambled, and seamlessly switching into a larger ship that can kill the CNR - without having to leave grid. (If you leave grid to change ships, it gives the Mission Runner the opportunity to dock up at their leisure.)


And you're surprised this was changed? If you want to fight them in a larger ship, fight them in a larger ship. CCP is quite right to keep people from magically switching ships mid fight.
kyrieee
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2011-12-07 20:56:14 UTC
Pandorath wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Pandorath wrote:
Griefing in eve is allowed and is not bannable.
Incorrect on both accounts. Your problem is that you have brought some irrelevant notion of “griefing” in from some other silly game that has nothing to do with EVE.

So, indeed, L2EVE: it's not what you think it is. Griefing gets you banned around here.


Ninja salvaging, bumping, suicide ganking, awoxing, reverse awoxing, infiltration, stealing, pirating, scamming, wardecking for ransom, ransoming ships and not honoring it... I thought this was related to the word griefing no?

"A griefer is a player in a multiplayer video game that deliberately irritates and harasses other players." -wiki

...White knights are the most sick people in EvE.


Most of those activities you mentioned are allowed with the motivation that the 'griefer' has something to gain. Repeated bumping of exhumers, freighter etc for no reason is not allowed. You're allowed to bump them to stop them from getting away when you're killing them though.