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Crius and the R.Db/R.A.M. situation

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Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#1 - 2014-07-21 09:21:32 UTC
So, requirements for those materials are multiplied by 100.
That leaves a few open questions:

What happens to existing stock of those items? My understanding is, that those will also be multiplied by 100?

What happens to the reprocessing value?
The reprocessing result can not cleanly be divided by 100. Will only stacks of 100 be reproessable with the old values?
Did you even remember to adjust them or willl existing stocks' values suddenly multiply by about 50?

What happens to existing buy orders?
The cleanest solution would be to clear all buy orders for those items during the downtime, or will the item in the market be replaced by stacks of 100? Else i could see quite a few shenanigans coming, where old buy orders will be fulfilled by items sudenly worth 1/100 of their previous incarnation.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#2 - 2014-07-21 09:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
I would image the reprocessing values would simply be rounded. The reprocessing changes mean that they won't be able to be reprocessed to to 100% of their material requirements anyway, so even if rounded up they won't have the material generation issue.

Buy orders, who knows. I'm sure they have it in hand though.

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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#3 - 2014-07-21 10:05:04 UTC
Didn't they already multiply moon goo or reactions? I don't remember anything going wrong with that.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-07-21 11:40:44 UTC
They'll add two zeroes everywhere.

If you had 10 R.A.M.s in your hangar, after patch you have 1000.

If you had a build job for 200 R.A.M.s in the oven, the output will be 20000

If you had 5 R.A.M.s on the market for sale for 1000 isk a piece, you will have 500 R.A.M.s for sale for 10 ISK a piece.

If you had 5 R.A.M. buy order for 1000 ISK each, you now have 500 R.A.M. buy order for 10 ISK each.

Blueprints have same materials, one run outputs 100. I also think you'll need 100 to reprocess but I'm not 100% certain (haven't checked on SISI).

This is not rocket science.
CCP Ytterbium
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2014-07-21 13:33:48 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Ytterbium
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
So, requirements for those materials are multiplied by 100.
That leaves a few open questions:

What happens to existing stock of those items? My understanding is, that those will also be multiplied by 100?


Indeed they are, please look at the patch notes, at the bottom. All stockpiles of R.A.M. and R.Db will be multiplied by 100 to fit the new system.

Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
What happens to the reprocessing value?


You'll need a full stack of 100 R.A.M. / R.Db. to be able to reprocess them.

Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
What happens to existing buy orders?


All orders price will be divided by 100, and R.A.M. / R.D.B. numbers on the orders multiplier by 100 to keep an identical ratio. Minimum price cannot be lower than 0.01 ISK however.
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#6 - 2014-07-27 21:47:27 UTC
You may wish to run your script over the estimated prices as well, unless you're happy with moon prices until they automatically settle in.
Chi'Nane T'Kal
Interminatus
#7 - 2014-07-31 12:22:23 UTC
So you had more than a day after my post (even if noone else reported it, which seems unlikely) to fix things and prevent this:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4859083#post4859083


Angelica Everstar
#8 - 2014-07-31 17:40:30 UTC
Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
You may wish to run your script over the estimated prices as well, unless you're happy with moon prices until they automatically settle in.


Same issue as when modified gas reactions amounts. Made a small profit from change too. Again the same issue when they made the mining forman implant available though the lp store.

So CCP - When you **** with items' value with changes to the game, PLEASE fix their est. value too. Otherwise this issue and exploits will continue.

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#9 - 2014-08-01 17:46:04 UTC
Removed an off topic post.

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