Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Missiles.... and Missile disruptors.

So missiles are in a really weird place right now.

These topics are for the ammo only. Not the launchers!


FIRST THINGS FIRST! GET RID OF THE STUPID KINETIC ONLY BONUS TO SHIPS AND GIVE THEM A 5% ALL DAMAGE TYPES LIKE TURRET SHIPS GET! (now before anyone gets mad.... minmatar have selectable damage types, drones have selectable damage types and all get similar damage bonus..... Also give amarr selectable damage too, but thats a different discussion.)


Now on to missiles


Light missiles..... are awesome. hit everything and do decent damage. Maybe reduce their damage a little. However overall they are in a good place.

Rockets - Again very good, do there job and hit most targets well.

Heavy Missiles - OMG super nerf bat destroyed these things. You need to give them their range back at expense of hitting small targets. They are afterall the long range missile type for cruiser hulls.

HAMS - I like hams, I think they are okay. 5% to all damge types would really fix any holes they have.

Cruise Missiles - In a very good place they are fine!

Torps - OMFG what a joke! These suck. My suggestion ..... reduce the range of them to say.... 10-15km, but also let them hit smaller targets. They are supposed to have a big boom that rocks the world around them, let the smaller ships that get too close feel the PAIN!






Now for something that I cannot honestly believe doesnt already exist! Missile Disruption Modules.

They would act the same as Tracking Disruptors but differently at the same time....

So it would make no sense to have the mod reduce flight time. Whats it doing sucking fuel out of the missile? No I dont think so.... This is what I propose. Make it chance based like ECM. It would have a 15 second activation time... All missiles in flight in that time from the ship firing at the ship with with the Missile Disruptor would be subject to a RNG game. If the Missile disruptor loses the missiles continue nothing happening as they slam into your ship. Now however if the Missile Disruptor wins then those missiles in flight would have a "hacked" computer guidence and hilariously and recklessly fly off in random directions (just like fireworks... which their program could be used to help with this) not hitting their intended target.

Some skills that could affect the disrputors could be..... a disruptor specific skill to fit and use module (new skill). Hacking - would increase strength of module. Advanced Hacking (new skill) as a secondary power boost to the module.


Even if you dont like the RNG idea..... we really need a missile disruption module.


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Now these are just one idea of many possibilities, so please feel free to give more ideas community.... the more ideas the better!

They should rework ECM to impact the accuracy of missiles. You could even script it to have a missile counter, and a drone counter.

Base Mod: Reduces Drone Bandwidth and Missile Guidance by 37.5%

Missile Script: increases bonus to reduction of Missile Guidance by 100% (75% total) (-37.5% Drone Bandwidth reduction)
effectively a 75% reduction to Missile Accuracy
Drone Scrip increases bonus to reduction of Drone Bandwidth by 100% (75% total) (-37.5% Missile Guidance reduction)
effectively a 75% reduction to number of drones capable of being fielded.

ECM hull bonuses are then stacked on top of these base numbers.

ECCM/Projected ECCM still function as they do now to defence against ECM
ECM is still calculated against a ships sensor strength and is a "coin flip" mechanic

*Drones above the cap from a reduction would be considered abandoned and you would need to reconnect to them after the ECM cycle.

I'd have no issues with TD for missiles if........missile damage calcs get overhauled to be like turrets.

Someone will say they always hit. True...and if the calc's variables are not good this always hit is not the greener grass they make it out to be. Crap damage 100% of the time is not that great. I use all weapons. I know from turrets I may get crap or even missed shots. Also know I also get in those big money shots in to have it come out in the wash to some degree. I'd be looking at arty for example. They can be a crap shoot. When the dice are cold you get a fair share of bad rolls. However when the dice warm up....they can tag and tag hard more often.



The loss of kinetic to more universal I can see as well. CCP seems to be coming off this a little with rattller's redo bonus of kinetic and thermal but they need to be budged a bit more for the other 2 types. TBH I'd even take caveats like missiles get split damage here (as the opponents of this idea often bring this up). I'd give up 100% say 100% kinetic on scourge for a damage split for a say 60/40 kin/xyz split (percentages could be ironed out later ofc). So it be more like projectile ammo or hybrids. Its their split imo that has ccp more agreeable to the 5% damage so common to turret damage.

Amarr would need some love as op says...but this another thread as they also said.

I played wow for 8 years at the beginning of the game real differences existed between the various classes and people complained. The developers eventually began to give into this pressure and now the various classes are substantially more homogenous then before and the game has suffered for it.

Torps are supposed to be slow big bombs that struggle to hit small targets well, their range and damage application is perfect as it currently exists.


We don't need and should not ask that the missile systems act increasingly like the turret systems. We have 3 turret systems already and making the missiles basically into turrets with a different firing graphic is a horrible idea.

Also, we need real differences between the turret systems as well and im dead against changing the damage type restrictions of the amarr although I do think that they shouldnt need an assistant boosting them to just sustain their damage application and would be in favor of reducing their cap needs.

In the current metagame where Minmatar is almost completely unflyable in general other than about 3 ships, and the Ishtar completely dominates everything to an absurd extent, Kinetic is the worst damage type by miles. If you're shooting missiles where everything but damage type is the same, avoid kinetic like the plague. Pretty much every Caldari ship with a kin missile bonus should basically ignore it, EM or Explosive will almost always do more DPS.

this basically.

One of my issues with kinetic only is it kind of hinders some variety in missile meta. Roam/fleet of kinetic ships rolling...what ever shall we spec resists for? Projectiles and hybrids you get some meta. I know I packed at least 3-4 ammo's for SOP know what the plan is for the night runs. If lots of unknowns...maybe I'd pack a few hundred rounds of more ammo not used normally just in case a need actually came up for it.

You can try to spice missiles up running off bonus ammo. I did. But you aren't getting even half the roam doing the same thing I found to add some tactical complexity of guessing the ammo they will use. Out come the tables, the graphs, etc showing how even if high resists the kinetic is better to some and they stay scourge ammo.

Well that I think some missile chucklers were lazy and cba to swap ammo's out.

Kinetic and explosive are the only valid types really. An armour tankers nightmare.

while i agree with selectable damage types and even which the current state of missiles for the most part was kinda hoping you would have had a great idea how to fix the all but worthless defender missile launcher/missile.

lets face it ccp have all the statistics for every module used i would we willing to bet uber over priced storyline/officer mods get more usage than the defended missile system . simply put defenders need a drastic buff a rework or removed from game.