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Eve Mentat Cashe Scraping?

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Devon Greenbank
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-19 06:10:40 UTC
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Cache Scraping


Our EULA does not permit the scraping of the EVE Online cache, as per EULA Paragraph 9.C

You may not reverse engineer, disassemble or decompile, or attempt to reverse engineer or derive source code from, all or any portion of the Software, or from any information accessible through the System (including, without limitation, data packets transmitted to and from the System over the Internet), .....

In addition, we also may consider eliminating the cache to eliminate this practice and for performance reasons.



Basically you can get banned for something called Cashe scraping.

I've previously downloaded Eve Mentat to help me with trading and I want to avoid Cashe scaping.
Quite honestly, I have no idea what it is or how I might accidentally do it.

But the program Mentat states right on it to be weary as its no longer permitted.

Does it indicate that what the program does itself is no longer permitted?
Or is it relevant to some other sort of process?

I don't believe it does, not sure. o-o;
Devon Greenbank
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-07-19 06:30:40 UTC
\Reading through I realized this may have belonged in the eve technology forum, I apologize.
Eve Mogul
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-07-19 06:35:07 UTC
Hi Devon, you are correct in that cache scraping is technically banned under the EULA as I understand it.

Having said that, if you get some level of benefit from Eve Mentat than you may as well use it until such time as "it" gets banned. At the end of the day you're not the one engaging in cache scraping, it's another website that you happen to be using. You're simply the end recipient of the information that the website provides.

If CCP determines that Eve Mentat is breaching the EULA and decide to shut them down then you'll stop getting access to any info that Eve Mentat provides, however if you don't upload anything (prices, market details, etc) to that website then you should be fine. Let CCP make the final call on if Eve Mentat is actually breaching the EULA or not.

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Devon Greenbank
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-07-19 06:37:51 UTC
Ah, well it is actually a downloaded program as opposed to a website.

:P

Unless it still goes through the website, then thanks for clarifying Mogul.
Eve Mogul
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-07-19 06:41:54 UTC
I've never used Eve Mentat myself, but whether it's a downloadable piece of software or a website cache scraping, it will still essentially be the same thing (i.e. some form of scraping info from the cache of Eve users who've viewed various market info, with their consent).

But yeah, you should be fine. If the website/software it still live I would personally assume that CCP are happy with its existence and any potential breach of EULA it may or may not be undertaking.

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Wafflehead
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-07-19 18:04:25 UTC
Why can't anyone search the forums before posting?. How many 'cache scraping' threads are we going to have?.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=358783&find=unread

You should have searched the forum, this was a heated topic back in Aug 2013.

We recognize that some players have engaged in cache scraping in the past, and we want to be clear this practice is not permitted. That said, unless there is an extreme case (i.e., cache scraping combined with other EULA violations), we will not penalize players who have engaged in this practice prior to 15 April 2013. Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). In addition, we also may consider eliminating the cache to eliminate this practice and for performance reasons.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2903715#post2903715
Please also note the update from CCP Peligro:

After consulting with CCP Legal and Team Security, we are not prepared to amend the EULA at this time to address your concerns. However, your comments are good ones, and we will consider incorporating them with the next scheduled update to the EULA (expected this fall, 2013).

In the meantime, CCP confirms that we will only impose penalties on cache scraping if used in connection with other illegal activities in the game (i.e., botting). We will not take action against cache scraping for other uses.


TLDR: Cache scraping + EULA violation = bad.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#7 - 2014-07-19 22:24:00 UTC
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Derrick Miles
Death Rabbit Ky Oneida
#8 - 2014-07-24 06:35:39 UTC
Wafflehead wrote:
Why can't anyone search the forums before posting?. How many 'cache scraping' threads are we going to have?.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=358783&find=unread

You should have searched the forum, this was a heated topic back in Aug 2013.

We recognize that some players have engaged in cache scraping in the past, and we want to be clear this practice is not permitted. That said, unless there is an extreme case (i.e., cache scraping combined with other EULA violations), we will not penalize players who have engaged in this practice prior to 15 April 2013. Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). In addition, we also may consider eliminating the cache to eliminate this practice and for performance reasons.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2903715#post2903715
Please also note the update from CCP Peligro:

After consulting with CCP Legal and Team Security, we are not prepared to amend the EULA at this time to address your concerns. However, your comments are good ones, and we will consider incorporating them with the next scheduled update to the EULA (expected this fall, 2013).

In the meantime, CCP confirms that we will only impose penalties on cache scraping if used in connection with other illegal activities in the game (i.e., botting). We will not take action against cache scraping for other uses.


TLDR: Cache scraping + EULA violation = bad.

There will continue to be threads about this topic because CCP's stance on the issue is not at all clear. There is the comment by CCP Peligro essentially stating that cache scraping on it's own won't be punished and yet the official Third Party Policies article still plainly states that it is now a potentially bannable offense, and the article is not dated which would imply that it is still in effect. I am assuming that it is allowed or at least ignored due to it's popularity and continued use, but any potential third-party developer doing the proper research on it would be understandably and justifiably confused, even after the difficult task of searching the forums as you like to say.