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Super Capital ship (Titans as well, not carriers or dreads) owners

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-07-16 03:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:

Spoken like a person who doesn't understand that even the coalitions that are the most saturated with supers realize just how **** they are. Blocs collect them because the only real counter to supers is having more of them than the other guy.


I realize that removing supers would mean all the Goon F1 monkeys would overrun the rest of the universe with sheer numbers alone. It's the only reason your self serving leader made his laughable suggestion without addressing blobbing and power-projection.

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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#22 - 2014-07-16 08:13:44 UTC
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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2014-07-16 08:40:09 UTC
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Blobskillz McBlub
Drone Riders
#24 - 2014-07-16 09:03:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Blobskillz McBlub
Sentamon wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:

Spoken like a person who doesn't understand that even the coalitions that are the most saturated with supers realize just how **** they are. Blocs collect them because the only real counter to supers is having more of them than the other guy.


I realize that removing supers would mean all the Goon F1 monkeys would overrun the rest of the universe with sheer numbers alone. It's the only reason your self serving leader made his laughable suggestion without addressing blobbing and power-projection.


supers are the core of the ridiculous power projection that's going on at the moment in EVE. Null sec devolved into the question of who has more supers which is just awful game design. while at the same time any low sec roam with a decent number of ships has to be prepared to get hot dropped by bored PL / CFC super pilots, because null sec became stale **** that is so easy to manage that two power blocs can control all of it.

make alliances work to keep their null sec systems, and not just the poor scrubs that get forced into doing the alliance logistics.
Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#25 - 2014-07-16 10:37:49 UTC
I dont want supers to be removed.
But i do want a change for them.
At the moment all other ships immume to e-war, dreads in siege, carriers in triage and marauders in bastion, get a benefit in some area's and deficits in others. Namely benefits immume to e-war, increased local tank, increase in effecting other ships (dps for triage, application for bastion, remote repping for triage).
They also get several downsides. Immobile, immune to remote assistance(trackinglinks remote sensorboosts remote repping remote eccm remote captransfers)apart from this the modules have some unique properties like sieged dreads get a penalty to locked targets, carriers in triage lose the ability to command drones, bastioned marauders get imptoved resistance.

My suggestion for supers is give them a downside due to beeing immume to e-war, taken from the list above. Beeing immobile would be rediculess so thats out. But beeing immume to remore assistance would be a nice idea. It does mean that the local tank is utterly inadequate, thus it needs to be buffed. Taking carriers as a base with half cycle time and double amount repaired we need something better since the use the same capital mods but need a better tank then a triage carrier. My suggestion would be something like give supers a third of the cycle time for their reps and triple the amount repaird and give titans a quarter repair time and four times the amount healed. one of the things i like in capital fights is that there is on the cap warfare so supers and titans should be vulnerable to cap drain. And should be abled to recive captransfers.

i like remote ECM-bursts so w I ll not change them. I also like the current doomsday no change for them either.

Now to Titan bridging. This one is really hard, i have not figured out a way to keep it in the game in a changed way that deminishes powerprojection without invoking malcanis' Law.

just my 2 cents
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-07-16 11:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aralyn Cormallen
Nimrod vanHall wrote:
I dont want supers to be removed.
But i do want a change for them.
At the moment all other ships immume to e-war, dreads in siege, carriers in triage and marauders in bastion, get a benefit in some area's and deficits in others. Namely benefits immume to e-war, increased local tank, increase in effecting other ships (dps for triage, application for bastion, remote repping for triage).
They also get several downsides. Immobile, immune to remote assistance(trackinglinks remote sensorboosts remote repping remote eccm remote captransfers)apart from this the modules have some unique properties like sieged dreads get a penalty to locked targets, carriers in triage lose the ability to command drones, bastioned marauders get imptoved resistance.


I've always thought Dreads are the most balanced Capital; they do what they do very well, but a lack of care, and take risks without back-up, and they are very, very, vulnerable. The other capitals have nowhere near the vulnerability, since they can do what they do without exposing themselves to anywhere near the degree of vulnerability (this is also where I feel Carriers go wrong, since Triage is nowhere near as essential for them to carry out their role as Seige is for a Dread). Were Titans to require a Seige module (no Bridge or Doomsday without it, and maybe give them back their blap capability in Seige), and Supers require a Triage module (can't launch bombers, and remote rep seriously curtailed without it), they suddenly leap up in vulnerability, since just being in a ball of remote rep doesn't render them invulnerable, and using them becomes a little more dangerous.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#27 - 2014-07-16 11:29:15 UTC
Some other ship that cannot dock and costs a lot of ISK.

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Emma Muutaras
State War Academy
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-07-16 11:41:00 UTC
for argument sake lets say ccp removes supers and titans. what changes?

the era of the titan bridge is over. (good thing or bad thing) personally i think it would be a good thing to reduce force projection

but that is the only thing that will change.

instead of it being supers and titans it will be carriers and dreads both of which has like 10 times more hp than a battleship
the only real difference being carriers and dreads are lot cheaper to instead of 100 supers u see 300 carriers.

i just don't see the point in removing supers
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#29 - 2014-07-16 16:26:56 UTC
Prince Kobol
#30 - 2014-07-16 16:46:48 UTC
Blobskillz McBlub wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:

Spoken like a person who doesn't understand that even the coalitions that are the most saturated with supers realize just how **** they are. Blocs collect them because the only real counter to supers is having more of them than the other guy.


I realize that removing supers would mean all the Goon F1 monkeys would overrun the rest of the universe with sheer numbers alone. It's the only reason your self serving leader made his laughable suggestion without addressing blobbing and power-projection.


supers are the core of the ridiculous power projection that's going on at the moment in EVE. Null sec devolved into the question of who has more supers which is just awful game design. while at the same time any low sec roam with a decent number of ships has to be prepared to get hot dropped by bored PL / CFC super pilots, because null sec became stale **** that is so easy to manage that two power blocs can control all of it.

make alliances work to keep their null sec systems, and not just the poor scrubs that get forced into doing the alliance logistics.



Bollocks.

Even if there were no Supers or Titans and just carrier and dreads, who other then current powers could withstand hundreds of carriers + dreads + support?

All that would happen is that if you removed Supers and Titans is that in a few months you will crying that Carriers and Dreads should be removed because its not fair that a group can field hundreds at a time, will have hundreds more in reserve and will be be able to replace any loses in days.

The issue is not Supers and Titans but the simple fact that in Eve as in most things numbers is one of the most important factors in any fight.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/memberCount

Now tell me how many in the Top 20 alliances are not a member or blue to CFC/PL/NC




Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2014-07-16 17:19:27 UTC
a backrub by a naked George Clooney while being fed grapes by Alissa White-Gluz.

seems like a fair deal to me
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#32 - 2014-07-16 19:18:50 UTC
SP refund? Maybe.

ISK refund? Definitely not. You'll have plenty of notice and can recycle them for the stuff to build a sweet carrier/dread blob.

Mr Epeen Cool
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#33 - 2014-07-16 23:56:08 UTC
Emma Muutaras wrote:
instead of it being supers and titans it will be carriers and dreads both of which has like 10 times more hp than a battleship
the only real difference being carriers and dreads are lot cheaper to instead of 100 supers u see 300 carriers.

i just don't see the point in removing supers

We've already seen more than 300 carriers used, it was very exciting.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-07-17 00:02:41 UTC
Lady Naween wrote:
a backrub by a naked George Clooney while being fed grapes by Alissa White-Gluz.

seems like a fair deal to me

You can keep the Clooney, but my god Alissa....omnomnom.
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#35 - 2014-07-17 00:33:09 UTC
I still think capitals were the biggest mistake CCP ever made.

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Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2014-07-17 02:30:04 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Lady Naween wrote:
a backrub by a naked George Clooney while being fed grapes by Alissa White-Gluz.

seems like a fair deal to me

You can keep the Clooney, but my god Alissa....omnomnom.


sure :) *makes grabby hands at Clooney*

soon getting to see Alissa in NY :) can't wait
Spurty
#37 - 2014-07-17 12:14:20 UTC
I don't think CCP has much to fear if they pulled them then really reading the posts.

Repayment seems quite reasonable / acceptable.

Provided structures get normalized inline with the potential DPS an entity could muster, a much needed change of game play would ensue.

Reasons for insulating yourself by having thousands of blues you can't shoot would disintegrate. What once was a luxury will become a burden when they only prevent you from making ISK (unless you are an indy character selling stuff to them).

Such clustering will soon yield to chaos, loosening the bowels of 'intestine heavy' entities.

Argue all you want about people clustering up. You would just sound moronic as clustering up will serve no useful purpose. It will just mean you have to compete harder against people you really don't know to make your ISK.

You'll spread out and move on or stagnate as your wallet withers.

Ex-Titan/SuperCap owners will start the next phase with a very healthy wallet and hopefully create something new for us all to read about. If they want to sit on their ISK and pee it away, that's their business. Not everyone needs their hands held after the first 2 years playing this game.

If that's not for you, then please move on.

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Doris Dents
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-07-17 13:38:25 UTC
I wouldn't complain if CCP deleted all supercaps with no compensation. EVE being a way better game would be enough compensation.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2014-07-17 13:48:14 UTC
Spurty wrote:
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Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2014-07-17 16:08:52 UTC
Rofl they would never get rid of supers. But if they were to get rid of Titans, hypothetically, they should go out with a bang. IE, using Doomsday gaurantees targets destruction, but also blows you up.
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