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Sylvester & Tweetypie ?

To make it fair both ships hould be concorded.
Excuse me i need to fit some rookie ships to bump freighters in readiness.

I had posed the following in a thread named “Why freighter bumping in High Sec is an exploit”

What say you?


I will state right here and now that I believe the bumping of a freighter with the intent of holding it in place while your fiends arrive to perform the gank is an exploit. Here are the reasons why.

1. The only reason you bump is to avoid the wrath of CONCORD.

2. There are other ways to hold a ship in place, all of which come at a cost in training time and equipment. If bumping is allowed to replace the need for this training and equipment the bumper has the advantage of now being able to forgo the needed equipment and fill that slot with something else. This in effect will unbalance the ship by giving it the ability of the modules skipped over and the ones used in their stead.

3. Every intended mechanic has a counter and this does not. Don’t even try to say bring friends, as that is not a counter to any mechanic other than being out numbered. When was the last time you told someone asking how to fight a faster ship to bring friends?

4. There is no skill to train for bumping nor to counter bumping.

In the end it comes down to this, you are bumping to achieve the same results or better with no training time or investment in equipment that is achieved by a player that makes those investments. You are doing this with the solo intent to avoid the wrath of CONCORD that the player who has trained and bought the equipment is subject to.

An appeal to authority is an argument from the fact that a person judged to be an authority affirms a proposition to the claim that the proposition is true.

Appeals to authority are always deductively fallacious; even a legitimate authority speaking on his area of expertise may affirm a falsehood, so no testimony of any authority is guaranteed to be true.

Freighter bumping is not a problem. One corpmate in a rookie ship equipped with a web will launch a freighter into warp and a fraction of the usual required speed. This tactic is used all throughout New Eden by smart freighter pilots to help prevent ganks and to increase their isk/hr by drastically reducing align times.

Miner bumping is not a problem. If you are a miner getting bumped off your mining spot, move to a different belt. If the bumper keeps following you and you are taking measures to avoid him, then report him and the GMs will deal with him as there are rules against this. If you are AFK and getting bumped, well perhaps you shouldn't be AFK and should be paying attention to your mining.

Miner bumping is a valid tool used by people like myself who merely dislike AFK miners, but truly despise bot miners. I have reported several bots over the years because a timed set of command continues even after a miner is bumped off his spot, whereas a simply AFK miner will simply sit in space until the pebcak returns.

As for the '45 minutes' of bumping on a freighter waiting for a gank squad. You do know that safe logout only takes 30s, and as long as you're not actively trying to fly you will simply disappear from space. Bring an alt to the system and watch for the bumper to move on.

But again, you probably don't want to listen, you just want CCP to fix all your problems for you.

You need to be in the same player corp, which means you can aggress your corp mates and not create a flag.

Therefore you can web a freighter and it will jump into warp far quicker and no, it's not an exploit.

You can dual of course, but that takes a little more work and can create issues.

Just post your loss mail already. Refer to, link