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Beginning Miner

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Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#21 - 2011-12-07 00:49:07 UTC
This looks like my history... My poor brand new Catalyst killed by some jerk in a Drake when i was mining in lowsec Cry

And after that they complain lowsec is empty...
Arctur Vallfar
Knights Adamant
#22 - 2011-12-07 03:29:31 UTC
I mine every now and then, but as previously mentioned, that generally only happens while I'm doing something else AFK. Still, it's an easy way to rake in some extra resources and isk while hardly paying any attention to the game itself.

If a player is to mine, I would advise them not to bother until they at least have a Retriever unless they don't mind 'starting from nothing'.
Nuthyn
#23 - 2011-12-07 04:22:10 UTC
Thank you so much for your responses.
To those with the suggestions……perfect, just what I am looking for.
Velicitia wrote:
Personally -- I'm not that against mining (yeah, it's still a crap job and stuff)... but it gives a mostly relaxed environment to get to know people, so we are able to see who can follow directions and stuff. Once we're able to get people familiar with running in a fleet with us, then they usually move on to the more "active" fleets (missions, roams, and the like).

Right. I have suggested he run ALL the tutorials and so far so good. He asked about mining and said he liked it. Wanted a ship choice/suggeston. He will only be playing for 21 days (for now) and during that amount of time, mining will give him ISK to play with and buy some shiny stuff with little risk while he does homework.
Oh, and Tau Cabalander……in my 5 years of paying, I did almost the exact same thing. I like mining too, but I perfect refine with 3 different Corporations and I started Minmatar. Fly safe buddy.
Jim Hooknose wrote:
Weaselior wrote:
this has inspired me to gank more newbies mining, for their own good


A new player to Eve starts mining, you gank him and maybe pod him if you are crafty enough; costing him his ship and possibly some ore. The new player isn't particularly bad, just really new. Let's assume he doesn't rage*

He either:
Stops mining and becomes a pvper (I am yet to meet anyone who actually did this)
Stops mining and becomes a missioner (what usually happens)
Stops mining and quits Eve quietly (and we lose a potential player/victim down the road when he knows what he is doing)
Keeps mining and takes on the anything-that-isn't-high-sec-isn't-for-me attitude

How... exactly... does this help anyone?

*: If he does rage then enjoy the rage I guess. He probably deserved it. Maybe he won't get attached to ships now

Man I wish everyone would read this. I have invited many people to try EVE. I tell them all that this is a hard game with real consequences….no respawn. Choose wisely for it is a true sandbox of a game. All the players I have invited have quit due to the aggressive nature of pvp. The grind of losing a ship aony to try and buy a new one can be a drag. The one Buddy that is still playing mines for money to buy ships to run missions and does some exploration and manufacturing. He has tried pvp and was going to quit as a result, I talked him into staying on and getting more skills before trying pvping again and to join a corp that can teach him more pvp. He is still paying.
I love this game.
I grow this game.
I believe we can play this game any way we want.
Have a great game guys and thanks for the advice.
Arctur Vallfar
Knights Adamant
#24 - 2011-12-07 15:17:05 UTC
If a miner loses his ship to PVP action in High Sec, they deserved it. In Low/Null Sec its a risk one must accept before even. undocking. Losing the will to mine after losing a ship likely means this game isn't for them. It happens to everyone.
Jim Hooknose
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2011-12-07 16:16:16 UTC
Arctur Vallfar wrote:
If a miner loses his ship to PVP action in High Sec, they deserved it.


Why? Because they didn't notice the cloaked up alt setting next to them in belt before the destroyer(s) appeared and one shotted them?

Only reason I could give you is because they mined during a wardec, which is dumb, I'll give you that. With wardec mechanics the way they are the corp should just join a dec shield alliance and get the wardec off of them.

Arctur Vallfar wrote:
In Low/Null Sec its a risk one must accept before even undocking.


Lolmininginlowsec

Arctur Vallfar wrote:
Losing the will to mine after losing a ship likely means this game isn't for them. It happens to everyone.

You are assuming that everyone that plays Eve has thick skin about losing ships from day one.

Forcing someone else into a playstyle is exactly why ccp and it's nullsec fanclub are going to alienate it's community; even with this semi-successful expansion release.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#26 - 2011-12-08 13:18:55 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Joshua Aivoras wrote:
Or you could just, you know, let him do what he finds fun.
Don't lie to him, of course. But if mining what he wants to do, by all means let him do it. In fact, the unavailability of mining barges/exhumers at a trial level could be an extra incentive to actually get a sub.
If he is interested in mining, the Caldari Osprey is the best he could do on a trial account.

Statistically speaking, the overwhelmingly vast majority of people that genuinely enjoy mining are either those that play EVE mostly while doing something else (and they don't really enjoy the mining itself so much but rather the fact they can make some ISK while being semi-idle or chatting with other people while doing it) or those that are regularly part of a mining op where 99% of the fun is the chat channel. They could be doing anything else and they'd still find it fun, but they don't have the time for anything else.

The problem with newcomers is that they THINK mining MIGHT be a good idea just because they don't know better (ESPECIALLY people that want to do it solo or in a very small group). They THINK they like mining, but in reality, they're merely afraid of doing anything else. And yes, after getting their skill-less ass whooped in one of the few harder L1 missions or failing to follow the tutorial or career funnel instructions (if they even finished the tutorial or funnel missions), mining might LOOK like a vaguely reasonable idea, but it seldom is.

Almost every second freaking newbie (if not more than that) thinks at some point in the first few days that mining is sort of nice, especially if they don't bother running the career funnel missions.
Heck, back in the days I started, there was only a brief tutorial and then it was "do whatever", and I did (very briefly) consider mining myself.
Thankfully, I tried some other stuff soon enough, and then in comparison, mining seemed junk quite fast.

Mining is a McJob.
It's slow, it's boring, it's low-skills and low-pay.
If they TRULY want a McJob, then they can have it.
But if they THINK they want a McJob because they're afraid to try anything else (because they're afraid they'll fail at it) then it's your responsibility to point out the error of their way and slap them into EVE-reality.


Shut up. I'm a solo miner, am I afraid??? Oh, and I have 54mil skill points in combat related skills too and yes this is my main. I also run two other clients and enjoy my time mining alone. I don't do other things while mining, except read the forums and keep up with what alliance is doing what or to whom. Those that read books or watch movies while mining are the ones that get ganked.

To the OP: mining is a base level industry profession. Its more of a game play style for those that are invested in the game already. Unless your buddy is going to stick with it, get him/her into lowsec/nullsec pvp for starters. Then when they've become established and have a desire to buid a corporation/alliance, then recommend mining.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

Adonlude
Akavhi Guard
Fraternity.
#27 - 2011-12-09 00:22:01 UTC
Mining is awesome. Its the only EVE thing that can be done on a laptop in front of the tv while barely paying attention. Well I guess AFK missioning is possible with drones but I haven't tried it.
Taebris
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2011-12-09 02:47:34 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Joshua Aivoras wrote:
Or you could just, you know, let him do what he finds fun.
Don't lie to him, of course. But if mining what he wants to do, by all means let him do it. In fact, the unavailability of mining barges/exhumers at a trial level could be an extra incentive to actually get a sub.
If he is interested in mining, the Caldari Osprey is the best he could do on a trial account.

Statistically speaking, the overwhelmingly vast majority of people that genuinely enjoy mining are either those that play EVE mostly while doing something else (and they don't really enjoy the mining itself so much but rather the fact they can make some ISK while being semi-idle or chatting with other people while doing it) or those that are regularly part of a mining op where 99% of the fun is the chat channel. They could be doing anything else and they'd still find it fun, but they don't have the time for anything else.

The problem with newcomers is that they THINK mining MIGHT be a good idea just because they don't know better (ESPECIALLY people that want to do it solo or in a very small group). They THINK they like mining, but in reality, they're merely afraid of doing anything else. And yes, after getting their skill-less ass whooped in one of the few harder L1 missions or failing to follow the tutorial or career funnel instructions (if they even finished the tutorial or funnel missions), mining might LOOK like a vaguely reasonable idea, but it seldom is.

Almost every second freaking newbie (if not more than that) thinks at some point in the first few days that mining is sort of nice, especially if they don't bother running the career funnel missions.
Heck, back in the days I started, there was only a brief tutorial and then it was "do whatever", and I did (very briefly) consider mining myself.
Thankfully, I tried some other stuff soon enough, and then in comparison, mining seemed junk quite fast.

Mining is a McJob.
It's slow, it's boring, it's low-skills and low-pay.
If they TRULY want a McJob, then they can have it.
But if they THINK they want a McJob because they're afraid to try anything else (because they're afraid they'll fail at it) then it's your responsibility to point out the error of their way and slap them into EVE-reality.


Fail post is fail and full of assumptions!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#29 - 2011-12-09 07:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Yes, it's boring and not much fun, but WHERE on EARTH does this FREAKING HOSTILITY come from against people doing a perfectly harmless activity in the game? Does it really get under your craw THAT much ?? Weird. Seriously strangely weird.

Psychiotic even, the intesity of some. (12 Page OP the other day.....................sigh).

It's seriously worse than freshly ganked Carebear Tears.

Besides, if nobody mined YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO FLY.


F***'in' idiots.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2011-12-09 08:58:02 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Yes, it's boring and not much fun, but WHERE on EARTH does this FREAKING HOSTILITY come from against people doing a perfectly harmless activity in the game? Does it really get under your craw THAT much ?? Weird. Seriously strangely weird.

Psychiotic even, the intesity of some. (12 Page OP the other day.....................sigh).

It's seriously worse than freshly ganked Carebear Tears.

Besides, if nobody mined YOU WOULD HAVE NOTHING TO FLY.


F***'in' idiots.


Not true, approximately 30% of minerals comes from refined loot and drone drops.

There is no true hostility, it's all a facade for comedic effect. We just like blowing up defenseless people.
I Accidentally YourShip
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2011-12-09 09:00:46 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:


To the OP: mining is a base level industry profession. Its more of a game play style for those that are invested in the game already. Unless your buddy is going to stick with it, get him/her into lowsec/nullsec pvp for starters. Then when they've become established and have a desire to buid a corporation/alliance, then recommend mining.


Quite the opposite in fact. Mining is a good profession for someone who wants to start up in eve and does not want to do combat. People who are invested in the game in the industry side of things would be doing production or trading. Mining is always the less profitable option.
Esunisen
Les Tueurs de Killer
#32 - 2011-12-09 09:39:06 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Not true, approximately 30% of minerals comes from refined loot and drone drops.


So where do the 70% left come from ?

I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Quite the opposite in fact. Mining is a good profession for someone who wants to start up in eve and does not want to do combat. People who are invested in the game in the industry side of things would be doing production or trading. Mining is always the less profitable option.


Except you need materials to build things. Industrialists should buy them in market maybe ?

Mining -> Refining -> Manufacturing -> Trading
People's Republic ofChina
My Other Capital Ship is Your Mom
#33 - 2011-12-09 09:57:58 UTC
Esunisen wrote:
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Not true, approximately 30% of minerals comes from refined loot and drone drops.


So where do the 70% left come from ?

I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Quite the opposite in fact. Mining is a good profession for someone who wants to start up in eve and does not want to do combat. People who are invested in the game in the industry side of things would be doing production or trading. Mining is always the less profitable option.


Except you need materials to build things. Industrialists should buy them in market maybe ?

Mining -> Refining -> Manufacturing -> Trading



There are bots. You can wave your arms in the air yelling loudly all you want in an attempt to ignore them but the bots supply the majority of that 70% that is mined. Bots also supply a large part of that 30% that is combat gained too. Until those bots go away, it is not the most profitable choice to mine.

Leave mining to the bots and the simple-minded who enjoy their mcjob if you want to be successful.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#34 - 2011-12-09 12:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
There is no true hostility, it's all a facade for comedic effect. We just like blowing up defenseless people.



Just what I want to do to 'relax' when I get home.................Roll


I'm not beyond the occasional Bot Gank myself...............

...........but someone needs to call 'a Spade a Spade'.........and I do believe this is called Bullying. Blink



I guess I'm getting old. I got my Ya-Ya's out when I was 28 with Doom and Quake. Constantly blowing crap up loses it's appeal.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#35 - 2011-12-09 12:47:20 UTC
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Mortis vonShadow wrote:


To the OP: mining is a base level industry profession. Its more of a game play style for those that are invested in the game already. Unless your buddy is going to stick with it, get him/her into lowsec/nullsec pvp for starters. Then when they've become established and have a desire to buid a corporation/alliance, then recommend mining.


Quite the opposite in fact. Mining is a good profession for someone who wants to start up in eve and does not want to do combat. People who are invested in the game in the industry side of things would be doing production or trading. Mining is always the less profitable option.


Shut up, noob.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#36 - 2011-12-09 12:48:39 UTC
People's Republic ofChina wrote:
Esunisen wrote:
I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Not true, approximately 30% of minerals comes from refined loot and drone drops.


So where do the 70% left come from ?

I Accidentally YourShip wrote:
Quite the opposite in fact. Mining is a good profession for someone who wants to start up in eve and does not want to do combat. People who are invested in the game in the industry side of things would be doing production or trading. Mining is always the less profitable option.


Except you need materials to build things. Industrialists should buy them in market maybe ?

Mining -> Refining -> Manufacturing -> Trading



There are bots. You can wave your arms in the air yelling loudly all you want in an attempt to ignore them but the bots supply the majority of that 70% that is mined. Bots also supply a large part of that 30% that is combat gained too. Until those bots go away, it is not the most profitable choice to mine.

Leave mining to the bots and the simple-minded who enjoy their mcjob if you want to be successful.


Great. Another in-the-know player. Please, I have some nano-paste for that hole below your nose.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#37 - 2011-12-09 15:37:39 UTC
its hilarious to see everyone get their collective panties in a bunch over mining.

yes, its slow paced, but that's part of the attraction. some of us have professional jobs IRL and don't want a career in-game. we want somewhere we can unwind and not think about all the responsibilities of RL or adding more for a damn video game. i giggle when i see chumps making this game into something its not. here's a tip, put down the mouse and Cheetos; go get a real career and life, then come back and see how motivated you are to be 1337 in your video game.
Maximum Rez
Doomheim
#38 - 2011-12-09 17:49:52 UTC
Iosue wrote:
its hilarious to see everyone get their collective panties in a bunch over mining.

yes, its slow paced, but that's part of the attraction. some of us have professional jobs IRL and don't want a career in-game. we want somewhere we can unwind and not think about all the responsibilities of RL or adding more for a damn video game. i giggle when i see chumps making this game into something its not. here's a tip, put down the mouse and Cheetos; go get a real career and life, then come back and see how motivated you are to be 1337 in your video game.


^ ^ This.

Plus - do whatever you want in this game, but appreciate that it's a cold, harsh universe out there, so don't whine when someone comes along and blows your hard earned stuff up / kills you in the market / robs your corp blind etc.
>unashamed noob<
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#39 - 2011-12-09 18:18:30 UTC
Iosue wrote:
its hilarious to see everyone get their collective panties in a bunch over mining.

yes, its slow paced, but that's part of the attraction. some of us have professional jobs IRL and don't want a career in-game. we want somewhere we can unwind and not think about all the responsibilities of RL or adding more for a damn video game. i giggle when i see chumps making this game into something its not. here's a tip, put down the mouse and Cheetos; go get a real career and life, then come back and see how motivated you are to be 1337 in your video game.


Since when is a Wal-Mart cashier a professional job?

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.

Iosue
League of Gentlemen
The Initiative.
#40 - 2011-12-09 18:59:39 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
Iosue wrote:
its hilarious to see everyone get their collective panties in a bunch over mining.

yes, its slow paced, but that's part of the attraction. some of us have professional jobs IRL and don't want a career in-game. we want somewhere we can unwind and not think about all the responsibilities of RL or adding more for a damn video game. i giggle when i see chumps making this game into something its not. here's a tip, put down the mouse and Cheetos; go get a real career and life, then come back and see how motivated you are to be 1337 in your video game.


Since when is a Wal-Mart cashier a professional job?


heh, i said some of us. you seem to exclude yourself by your own admission. good for you, maybe some day you'll make it to assistant manager. gl.
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