EVE General Discussion

Nobody is denying that mate. I've said it about ten times now but the question is; what do people mean when they say "EVE content" not content in general?

I agree with what you said but i understand when people ask for new content, they are asking for ccp to introduce new stuff. They are not asking for more blue donuts, burn jita events, corp thefts, miner bumps... Surely you can see that?

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Exactly. right or wrong, that is what these people mean.

The thing I don't understand is how so many people on these forums can blindly support this games 'content' while the subscription numbers are in the dumpster.

Ostriches with their heads in the sand. The same people it's always been. You guys would get a long well with the management at CCP I imagine.

NEW things to do. NEW. Go look up the definition of that word.

Sexy Cakes out. Continue with your pretentious explanations of things as if everything exists in a vacuum.

lol thanks =D

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http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Weekly average graph.

Latest shown value = 25724 (2014-07-03)

comparing with value shown at the same date on previous year= 32 300 (2013-07-04)

32 300 - 25 724 = 6 576 Accounts.

Now devide this number by the average number of accounts each players in this game has. I think it is around 3 (this is a guess but I am sure I am pretty close!)

6576 / 3 = (around) 2 192 PLAYERS no longer log in Tranquility since last year.

That is how I see it Tippia. You may criticize the methodology I am using to evaluate how many players Eve has lost in the past year. But you cannot argue the fact that the numbers HAVE dropped and by a significant number.

So content or not.... it is clear to me that there is a significant number of players that decided that Eve was no longer FUN to play and moved on.

Sigh... except that doesn't prove eve lost anything. It just proves less players log in at the same time. Granted it could mean we are down players, it also could mean people are busy being outside and there was not a big enough carrot in kronos for them the log in. But based on your numbers, you can't say eve is down 2k ppl, as for all you know the players not loging in could still pay for there accounts and just log in for a min to change skills as they are busy. That's the issue with the eve-offline numbers, there is on context as to what they mean. So this prove noda. Unless ccp releases the data you honestly can't tell anything.

Now if the financial report shows game rev down from last year (which will be hard as this years numbers will include dust and they made 10m more in 2013 then 2012) then you can do the match and figure out subscribers. But till then, the data you are using as no backing of anything. (sorry chribba but tis true)

You might not be, but I certainly am, since I can point to some pretty basic facts that prove you wrong.

That shows lower activity, not a loss of players — certainly not something as explicit as the 2k you're suggesting.

Oh yeah,well i've taken yur poll and I lied abo....wait, that wount work here...dam.

Your're nothing, if not arrogant...

As i said before, it depends on the context. If the question is what is considered "game content", that hasn't been clearly defined (feel free to try) and is a different question to "what does content mean"... For that the OP could have just opened a dictionary.

Now, Ive had some rather interesting threads locked for lack of content, even though they were jam packed full of contenty goodness.


While im not sure what CCP would consider "content", apparently anything Platypus related is considered not.

You call us pretentious by making assertions based on false premises. You and that other guy are probably used to content handed to you on a silver platter, and clearly you're somewhat new to EVE because you are missing a great deal of information, and it is what makes you very very wrong. Subscription numbers are just fine.



I've read through this thread and at this point, you're just arguing semantics. You've been called out and steered away from your original argument instead of just admitting you were wrong. And you want to call someone else arrogant? You better check that Dunning-Kruger sport.

Let me ask you something, if you play guitar and you write a song, is the guitar creating the content? You're just interacting with the guitar, right, and it's the guitar creating the content?

The game provides the tools, we create the content. It's just like having a set of dice, a few sheets of paper and a few friends that sit down together and play Dungeons and Dragons. In EVE's case, the tools are quite a bit more refined, but the concept is the same. If you've never created your own content, I do truly pity you.

Now anyone will concede that there is some content provided to players in-game, but few will argue that it isn't limited and generic in nature. One could argue that the tools we use to create content are content themselves, and they would make a good argument. However, to proclaim there's no player-created content is about as uninformed about EVE as you can get. Never have I heard more pathetic drivel than that about this game. I can only imagine where such drivel might be coming from. Two sources come to mind - anti-CODE propaganda and/or paid EA shill trying to declare EVE less unique than it is.

Either way, or even if I'm wrong, you insult every content creator in the game, and that's a large population of players. You deserve nothing more than our contempt.