Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We know that 4x more people "level their Raven" than gets involved in the "real EVE". The main reason for that is "real EVE" needs you to engage in PvP. PvE is merely an enabler for PvP: you rat/mission/mine/whatever to buy yourself ships to shoot the enemy with. But if you don't want to do the shooting, you can't really do anything with your ISK and get bored. I've been there, collecting more than 500B with trading and not being able to do anything with it. Then I started donating it to PvP-ers who fight with the CFC and since then I'm involved in the greater gameplay and like EVE much better.

This suggestion is to make this way supported by a donation feature. Anyone could start a new donation drive. When someone opens the UI element, he sees the ongoing drives, corp, alliance and public on different tabs, ordered by ISK collected. They can be searched too and one can set favorites that move to another tab.

Clicking on one donation drive would show the pilot who started the drive and the description he wrote. The next tab would list the top 100 donators with their donations. This would act as a "hall of fame" that the PvE players can compete to climb. There would also be a payout tab, showing where the collected donations went. The owner can send the collected ISK to a pilot or corp and these payours would be logged on this tab so the donators can see where their money went.

The corp/alliance only drives would only be visible to the members of the corp/alliance. They would be used by the leadership to raise money for various goals. When I was in TEST, we used a third-party feature and raised 300B+ for Fountain defense. Such feature would allow "carebears" to be useful within an alliance.

For public drives, there would be a 1B starting fee for filtering out trolls and it's already against the EULA to fake being someone's alt, so you'd get banned for starting a donation drive in the name of anyone else. To start it in the name of a corp or alliance, you must be a CEO and then the logo of the corp/alliance will be listed. So E-Uni could start a public drive.You can't offer any kind of benefit to donators (like "top 5 donators get invited to my alliance"), any such offer gets your drive deleted and you lost the 1B and whatever money was donated and not yet spent. The public feature is for charitable donations, the donator gives away his money for an idea he supports.

Still, most donation drives would be scams. However - just like trusted third parties - sooner or later trusted real donations would emerge that don't steal the money but spend it on the goal they declared. After these are established within the community, PvE players could affect the course of EVE by putting money on these.

I'm currently spending 30B/month to pay for the wardecs of The Marmite Collective against all CFC alliances. Last month they killed 273B worth of CFC. I'm also giving 13B/month to Mordus Angels so they can have SRP for their battles in nullsec against CFC. They killed 109B CFC last month. So in June I supported/enabled 12% of the total CFC losses. Imagine what would happen (besides couple thousand more mad Goonie posts) if hundreds or thousands of "highsec carebears" would give their excess income to the cause! I would definitely run a donation drive to find out.

Other likely donation recipients were the Angel Project, EVE-Uni, popular streamers, third party tool providers and so on. It could be used to supplement PLEX for Good: ISK collected will be used to purchase PLEX on Jita for the next PLEX for Good.

But above all, this feature would allow PvE players to be and feel connected to the sandbox, matter in the big picture, instead of just leveling a Raven.

Why should people engage in the "real EVE"?

You start with wrong conclusions and misuse strawmans and sentimental placeholders to misrepresent issues as well as assuming whats right and whats wrong and deducing from your own set of mind (feelings) how things are in general for everyone.

I have nothing against donations, which is a community feature and can be implemented and used as such and is. Adding an ingame mechanic is just taking ISK doubling and scamming to a higher level and the big hitters. Groups who can afford such a fee and make good use of the feature and also have the credibility - already have and do all those things including advertsing and marketing, which makes it unnecessary.

And how does cluttering the UI help any new player and what use are they to donate ? They would be rather on the receiving end. And the ones setting it up for them already know how to do that and get in new players to spend it.

In the end I think the active community effort is woth pursuing, but the 'feature' as suggested completely unnecessary and defeats itself at every corner.

PS: And regarding Marmite: SO IT WAS YOU

Nah, do what you think is right. cause I don't care about such things.... I play my game &

Yeah, useless.

Two things come to mind as being very important to get donations:

1) Become trustworthy
2) Give the donators feedback on how their money is being spent

OP's idea wouldn't help with neither.

OTOH, if you put in some personal dedication and skill, all you need is a forum thread.

Thoughts.

I can't help but wonder how people define 'the real Eve'...by gameplay? By number engaging in activities? The real Eve is a player engaging in activities that they enjoy in my view. The 80% who live in hisec and have no wish to PvP are playing how they like. No amount of donations would persuade them to engage in PvP in any area. The gankers are playing the game in a way that hey enjoy, good for them and I hope it gives them much enjoyment (even the odd ones that have caught me). Those in PvP are also doing their thing how they please and that is how it should be.

Brilliant deduction of the exact opposite of what he posted.

Do you even try?

They already have this feature. Its all the rage in Jita local. Has been for years.

If most of the drives are scams why would anyone bother, though as you said it is a bannable offense to impersonate someone there is a glaring loophole, you don't have to impersonate someone to raise money in their name, all it take is the following sentence: "I am raising isk for______. " That is a lie yes, but it is not impersonation. Given that fact the entire thing becomes a question of why not donate directly to the person/corp/alliance and circumvent the chance at being scammed/ the need for additional ui?



What does that have to do with the proposed feature? This seems more like ego stroking than an actual supporting argument for the feature, while it could be argued that this is changing the course of eve that is a very large assumption that quite frankly seems seems to have no base in reality, having taken a look at their killboard( the link is acting a little weird and is adding an extra part, remove the "amp;" and it works). it also fails to consider any other factors, Why is this relevant to the discussion?



I don't know if this is could be a good feature at its core, but as you have presented and described it, this is a terrible idea. It clearly doesn't have a tremendous amount of thought put into it, because as mentioned it disregards the tools already present and manages to be a catch 22 at the same time. You say a lot of things but don't actually back them up with solid reasoning and use a lot of vague wording. you also talk a lot about yourself, which while not necessarily a bad thing, given how poorly it is used to support your idea comes across as bragging rather than support for the core idea. I would strongly recommend giving this another draft or two since, as it stands now, it is not worth the time or effort to implement.

300B bought you a shameful defeat, that's kinda cheap compared to what you're currently paying, no?

Fundraisers are good for launching new projects with public interest and possible usage to a large chunk of people. Creating charts for a game about internet spaceships which are not seen by more than a few dozen people isn't really something worth supporting.