Warfare & Tactics

Just leave your corp, join an NPC corp and make a chat channel for your corp mates for the duration of the war. Rejoin when war is over.

Never pay a ransom - it will just flag you as someone who will pay and you'll be decced again in short order.

Honestly, the best way to solidify your corp is to look at the engagement platform your enemy is using against you (via your lossmails) and developing a counter doctrine to neutralize the threat. It's good content for your members and it may get the multibox dude/dudette to back down.

Actual combat (ty for your service) doesn't translate to game mechanics. You still need to find, fix, and destroy your space enemy.

Fight back you nonce.

Well if you play like a noob you should join a noob (npc) corp instead.

This is probable. Still, there's no reason for you guys to allow them to control your playtime.


You have 3 options:

1) if you want to play EVE very casually --> do as chatgris said: drop corp, share a chat channel

2) if you want to become a good 'carebear' player --> learn to evade combat. it's extremely easy, especially if it's just one or a couple of dudes hunting you in all of EVE. change systems, watch local, watch dscan, use bookmarks (dock, undock, tacticals on gates), take advantage of acceleration gates and deadspace, etc. there's tons of material on how to do this

3) if you want to try pvp --> fight back, either alone or with help. keep your ships cheap and you'll have fun no matter the outcome


I'd personally reccomend option 3, but if you're not interested the other 2 options are fine. Just do not sit in station like a helpless moron.

I'll just point out one more time for the record.

EVE is a PVP game. It's not a PVE game. It's designed / coded for one player to shoot another player. If you're trying to make EVE into a PVE game - you will fail. You are paying to play a PVP game - you need to understand that.

This whole thread makes me picture some dude with a pony saddle staring at a cat and saying the cat is all messed up.

Don't most of the people playing this game play it for the PvE? (IE High Sec stuff)

And the other side of the table is the blatant hypocracy in the OP. He just wants to play the game his way.

He is OK with wars of course. BUT ony those with a purpose. Let's examine his definition of purpose: They are OK as long as they don't get in his way. The only logical way to solve his issue is to add a step to the war dec process for his approval/sanction where he approves of a given wars purpose.

His post is soley about self interest. 200 years ago he would have been shunned and expelled from the villiage for such a crime. These days it's OK to be self involved and have no regard for others.

We can explain it to him, but we can't make him understand.

Yes I would like to play the game my way or at least as close as I can, just as the rest of you do. Especialy since EVE is touted as a space simulator. Thats why most of us play EVE at all. There was some grand thing or another that led us to the game and kept us playing over a few years.
Forgive me for choosing to participate in something the way I choose to.

The point I was trying to raise is that all to often war decs force corps of people to play the way someone ELSE wants them to play.
Eve is not a pvp or pvp game uniquely its what you choose to make of it. Most of you who run around blowing stuff up (especially those who pvp!) are supported by those who choose PVE activities.

The reason why I choose to argue about wars is all to often these wars serve no other purpose other than harrasment at its most basic form. I cannot play in a function which my character is tuned/designed for so in the end all that achieves is the removal of my playtime. Which when I pay for out of pocket, which means they are taking my money. This is not fun, and a good way to turn people off to this game entirely.

Why is it that carebears rarely engage in pvp? Many reasons exist. Hell maybe some off us just arent good at it. But, most importantly is because we choose not to. Our choice is once again punished and we are forced to play according to someone else's playstyle. So going out at shooting enemy war dec targets doesnt appeal to us. More importantly its rewarding someone else for a way of playing the game, while punishing the other.
If so maybe a way to turn the tide on those corps that war dec randomly.

Give it a option of pilot license revoke and let them get stuck in station or forced to do indy/missioning.
Because thats what is happening. Whats good for the goose is good fo the gander.

In the end PVE and PVP are necessary mechanics, both are needed to make the game run. Thats fine and needed for depth and interaction.

I do understand wars will happen to high sec corps. I have fought in them in the past, and I have even enjoyed it sometimes.
But when they stack up at it becomes more of an grind to even log onto EVE? Thats when something is wrong.

Haters will hate :)

I must agree with the OPs point of view and I love the way how he explained things.

EVE is a big part PVP, true, but you have lowsec, nullsec and Wspace for that. Can't there be a liitle part of space where only ganks are a way of PVP? The wardecs fly highsec corps around their ears. If you ask the wardeccers why: "for the lols". Do we, "carebears" who don't really have PVP skills, but who like to put our training time into manufacturing and flying freighters.

That saying, everyone knows it's useless to even try to undock to start a fight with the wardeccers, who didn't train for manufacturing and flying freighters, but for T2 guns, overheating skills and T3s.

I'm not saying highsec wars should be banned. RvB is a cool way of doing it. But if you are 50% of the time wardecced..

As Thorvade said, carebears also pay for the game, and getting a guy who is too scared to go into lowsec wardeccing you, isn't fair for the people who also pay to play a game.

In the long term, the carebears are docked, manufacturing goes down (for a bit) and the wardeccers ships get more expensive. Not a big chance that they will ever notice because there are alot of newbro's who do get killed, but make EVE an easier game for them too. We all know that EVE is a hard game, don't let newbro's get wardecced in highsec and lose all the stuff they have. It's not the way you will keep them comming.

Even I am thinking of doing better things with my 15 bucks..

TL;DR
Make it harder to wardec someone who doesn't want to be wardecced.