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Bexar Ying

Unit 479

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#1 - 2014-07-15 11:14:07 UTC

A couple of incompetent Nimrods war decced my alliance about a week ago. In order to maintain the cash flow, we moved somewhere where I didn't think they have the cojs to follow.

I'm not worried about us. In 27 war decs we have lost two ships and one pod. What I would like to know is if this tactic has worked against this particular group.

But I can't find a killboard that shows their losses for this past week. Am I looking for the wrong thing? Should I be looking for their alliance instead?

Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire 15,906
Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire Likes received: 15,906	#2 - 2014-07-15 11:21:31 UTC 1 You could also try check their war history in-game and the result of those wars. /c ★★★ Secure 3rd party service ★★★ Visit my in-game channel 'Holy Veldspar' Twitter @ChribbaVeldspar

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#3 - 2014-07-15 11:22:32 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Are you looking at the right killboard(s)? Can you find losses from earlier periods?
Are you sure they've had any losses that would be reported during this week (and if so, by what party)?

No killboard I know of makes any distinction between corp and alliance in terms of what you can search for — if it's reported, it'll be credited to all people and parties involved. So it sounds more like they haven't had any reported losses (and the “reported” is the important part: if neither party feeds their API to the killboards, only manually posted kills will appear and some will conveniently “forget” to post losses).

A lot of it is automated and API:ed these days, but at some point or another, someone has to enter the right feeds into the system to make it all show up.

Scorpion Road Industry 965
Antihrist Pripravnik Scorpion Road Industry Likes received: 965	#4 - 2014-07-15 11:26:48 UTC 2 I don't know if you know about this site: http://evewho.com/ You can search for: - players - corporations - alliances Very useful for wardecs.


Bexar Ying Unit 479 Likes received: 36	#5 - 2014-07-15 11:27:00 UTC Chribba wrote: You could also try check their war history in-game and the result of those wars. /c Dammit. I guess I'll have to lear how to do that. The learning ends. BTW, You run BattleClinic, don't you? I used to use that but it just locks up on me now. What browser is recommended?


Bexar Ying Unit 479 Likes received: 36	#6 - 2014-07-15 11:28:21 UTC 1 Antihrist Pripravnik wrote: I don't know if you know about this site: http://evewho.com/ You can search for: - players - corporations - alliances Very useful for wardecs. Didn't think of that. TYVM. :)

Doomheim 1,065
Sodabro Doomheim Likes received: 1,065	#7 - 2014-07-15 11:45:12 UTC Quote: incompetent nimrods ALL THE WARDECS!


Bexar Ying Unit 479 Likes received: 36	#8 - 2014-07-15 11:49:33 UTC \| Edited by: Bexar Ying 1 Sodabro wrote: Quote: incompetent nimrods ALL THE WARDECS! We've never war decced anyone. Never felt the need. We may be care bears, but we aren't pillow biters. Wars are just something we are ambivalent about. Another screwed up part of the game.


Bexar Ying Unit 479 Likes received: 36	#9 - 2014-07-15 11:53:03 UTC What you guys suggested worked great. EveWho took me to zKill, there they were. Not sure how to interpret the results, though. They' lost 4 ships since the war dec but none in the two pipes. Did they decide not to follow? The 4 losses were nowhere near us. ??

Chaotic Tranquility 4,565
Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Likes received: 4,565	#10 - 2014-07-15 11:57:49 UTC 2 yeah zkill/eve-kill've been more popular than battleclinic for a few years now chribba doesn't run battleclinic


Bexar Ying Unit 479 Likes received: 36	#11 - 2014-07-15 11:59:45 UTC Benny Ohu wrote: yeah zkill/eve-kill've been more popular than battleclinic for a few years now chribba doesn't run battleclinic Sorry.


Benny Ohu Chaotic Tranquility Likes received: 4,565	#12 - 2014-07-15 12:01:58 UTC 3 Bexar Ying wrote: Benny Ohu wrote: yeah zkill/eve-kill've been more popular than battleclinic for a few years now chribba doesn't run battleclinic Sorry. well as long as you're really sorry i can forgive you in exchange for a moderate donation


Bexar Ying Unit 479 Likes received: 36	#13 - 2014-07-15 12:05:50 UTC It's on the way. :)

CompleteFailure

DAWGS Corp.

SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY

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#14 - 2014-07-15 17:05:29 UTC

Bexar Ying wrote:

What you guys suggested worked great. EveWho took me to zKill, there they were.

Not sure how to interpret the results, though. They' lost 4 ships since the war dec but none in the two pipes. Did they decide not to follow? The 4 losses were nowhere near us. ??

You're operating under the assumption that the fact that they war decced you means that you are their only focus. TBH they probably have several wardecs going on at once (if not dozens) and are concentrating on the easier to find targets.

Malcolm Shinhwa

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#15 - 2014-07-15 18:37:19 UTC

When I wardeced, I wardeced for *reasons* and would fly 30j to kill a Venture. So just that they don't have any killboard activity near your chosen system is not an indication that they won't find you and kill you. It is easy enough to find out where your targets are and set up traps for them.

Even "incompetent nimrods" can kill virtually any PVE fit ship with virtually any PVP fit ship. I'm not logged in right now so I can't tell, but if any of your attackers are named "Cannibal Kane", then I pitty you.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

SghnDubh

BattleClinic

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#16 - 2014-07-15 22:34:43 UTC

Bexar Ying wrote:

Chribba wrote:

You could also try check their war history in-game and the result of those wars.

/c

Dammit. I guess I'll have to lear how to do that. The learning ends.

BTW, You run BattleClinic, don't you? I used to use that but it just locks up on me now. What browser is recommended?

Chribba is awesome, but my team and I run BattleClinic.

If you're having problems with the site, just ping me or post there and a dev will help you.

And contrary to some in this thread, Zkill and BC serve the community rather equally. Our boards cater to different user preferences and track / show stats differently.

OP,
If you're having problems locating their pilots on a KB, then they could be taking steps to keep their kills from showing, as has been suggested. It's harder to keep their losses from showing because they don't have control over those killmails.

The major killboards are API-only, or only allow CREST posts, so "faking" mails by manually manipulating the text then pasting the text into a killboard is no longer as big of a problem. But CREST especially is fairly new, and maybe they haven't been as active recently; in that case, it's possible that people who get killmails against them haven't posted via CREST. Or, perhaps most of the people that win fights against them don't know about killboards and thus don't post their APIs which would pick up those kills.

Hope that helps a bit...

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The Troll Bridge 23,523
Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge Likes received: 23,523	#17 - 2014-07-15 22:41:23 UTC 5 I cant be the only person who believed that Op was decced by a group called "incompetent nimrods". That totally sounds like a corp in Eve. Someone should take that name. Evewho says its available. *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*

The Scope Gallente Federation 13
Jeremy Fischer1 The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 13	#18 - 2014-07-16 09:34:51 UTC Move to nullsec, why you in hisec?

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Victor Andall Likes received: 774	#19 - 2014-07-16 10:11:34 UTC WHY IS THIS THREAD BEING HELPFUL?! Geez, GD! Step up your game. You didn't even send OP back to WoW or anything... I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? 19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.

Screaming Head in a Box. 794
Christina Project Screaming Head in a Box. Likes received: 794	#20 - 2014-07-16 10:49:27 UTC Makes no sense. She calls them incompetent, as if it was something to be proud of to run away. Yeah maybe Cannibal Kane should teach them a lesson or two. I'm willing to add money to that, too! [i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]