EVE General Discussion

WoW and WoW-clones provide meaningful PvE content with real progression, not a L1 grind which leads to a L2 grind and eventually an endless L4 grind. I think the NPE, and the game at large, could benefit from story-driven PvE content which isn't as open-ended as the rest of EVE's universe.

I think the possibility to infiltrate a corp and awox the members is a fun gameplay aspect of EVE you find in no other game. It also makes trust in EVE a real and important thing and adds to the social fabric of the whole game.

CCP always struggles to implement meaningful gameplay into their games, so why should they remove such a gem that has emerged from the sandbox and was probably not even intended in the first place.

Also it worked for 10 years, why the sudden concern that it drives away new players? The game was never easier and CCP never held your hand more if you are a new player.

If there is indeed a problem with player retention (where are the numbers that suggest there even is a problem?) then maybe it's because you already diluted the sandbox so much it's no longer appealing to the sort of player who does not quit after 1 month and is actually interested in the sandbox aspect. Maybe they go play Rust this days..

Also I hope you don't get this wrong, but I think a nullsec alliance leader who makes suggestions about how to fix a game mechanic that is only relevant in highsec can be taken as serious as a highsec miner making suggestions about how to fix sov warfare in null.

wat...

Old players say, "I was new once" and then go on to defend their stale gameplay. Story at 11.

Face it, you don't want to have to out think experienced players. New players are easy targets. But griefing, or doing things that are perceived by the inexperienced as griefing, is a zero sum game that cannot support itself in the long term. The Mittani realizes it, why can't you?

Goons being anti-awox is very indicative that they don't like the dangerous side of EVE, and they want the game to be even more carebear in their cute little blue donut resort in nullsec.

EVE is supposed to be dangerous and unforgiving. When that gets removed more and more in favor of whatever the Goons or anyone else wants EVE will have lost its main catch. My proposal of vastly improving the PVE aspect of the game and its story would not harm that however and wouldn't also require throwing new players into a padded system where GM's and whoever else kiss the new players butts giving them false impressions of EVE. I mean what in the hell do you think those players are going to think when they leave that system that was all nice and rosy and jump right into their first smartbomb gate camp? Yeah, that little padded safe system would do nothing to retain new players then.


The truth is you can't improve player retention by making the initial experience easier because that just gives those players a false idea of what the game is really like. If you REALLY want to help new players out then revamp the starting missions to be HARD and require tactics like those that are used in pvp. Give them a fighting chance by training them up yourself CCP in how to win at pvp via mission training.

In defense of Goons (this is my playing Devil's advocate, side note Mittani is the Devil), they don't want any such things. This is jsut a case of the Goon's leader being IMO wrong about something based on his personal preferences and understanding. He's human, he's been wrong (and right) before and will do it again.

When I think of Mittani (Whom i have not met personally) I think of the 'superstar who lets you know his politics' lol. You know the guy who is an A-list actor and because he's A-list at something, he thinks he's A-list about everything .Those superstars testifying before congress are no more qualified than the average citizen about such things any more so than I would be a good source of information regarding Heart Surgery lol.

Mittens is a world class video game spy and online gaming group leader. He's not a game designer.



Bolded part is important, because neither are you a game designer lol. Your 'vastly improved pve' idea was and is bad because pve in a sandbox game serves a wider purpose (ie it's a method of gathering currency and resources to be used to interact in someway with other people, whether that is direct pvp or things like building and market pvp).

PVE for the sake of PVE, in other words, 'giving people something fun to do' detracts from the interaction part of the game that is so crucial. At a certain level, sandbox pve has to suck at least bad enough to get normal asocial gamers to actually interact with other gamers lol.

"Improved PVE" (such as the much suggested "fewer but more pvp like npcs) is just as bad an idea for the game as the original concept of WiS was, it takes people further away from doing the things that creat actual content in a sandbox game. The guy who can get a pvp like trill fighting npcs don't need real pvp. The guy who can fight boredom by walking to a bar in a station rather than undocking (thus risking getting killed) is denying content to other players, even if that content is just those would be gankers being frustrated because the guy outsmarted them and got away from their gank.

With the "new" safety switch you can find that out in a few seconds without risking your ship. Discovering game mechanics is part of the fun of a game. But some people obviously think this isn't a game and losing a pixel spaceship over a deficit in knowledge is something that should not happen at all. I don't think we need this kind of people in EVE, they will only ask for more nerfs and safety because they are not actually interested in how the game works.

Uhhh, if you want to do those things, you wouldn't have joined my corp in the first place. So no, point not made.

And tbh we'd probably help you get your **** back to highsec, albeit possibly for a fee of some few hundred isk/m3 depending on who does it.

Problem is an awful lot of new players never do that ship loss mission.

One of the flaws of the career agent system is many people get theimpression they are meant to choose acareer like "industry" do that agent and then go off and "do stuff".

After reading most of these posts, I have come to one conclusion: at least half of the people commenting here didn't actually read the article.

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