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Anthar Thebess
#21 - 2014-07-14 13:02:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthar Thebess
Higgs Foton wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
You can have 3 alts on account.
Sell 100mil character , or spend 2 plexes to move it to other account , and no more need for subscribing , while you can still use it.

Suspend account ... and wait for better days.


Because of the high plex prices i have just done this. I moved a 25 million sp industry al to one of my other accounts, and closed that account.

So CCP is down one account.

Hey, its not my problem. If plex prices go down again to 400-500 million i gladly restart that account or take another third one. Its their call. :)


But you didn't sell it.

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Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#22 - 2014-07-14 13:08:28 UTC
I'm pro-Amarr I'm all for slave trade. Works as intended TM.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#23 - 2014-07-14 13:17:44 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Well you are not selling character useful to you.
Alts are mostly <20mil sp characters, specialized, or any level sp industrial characters.

Eve will not die, but it is not in good health either.
Current number of active people - those who bother to login - is similar to this that we had in 2008.

If people are leaving , i wonder why.

Yes sov needs fixing.
Power projection also discourages people from login.

Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat.
Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).

Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.


They eliminated a lot of demand for Alts from the simply jet can alt to the 40 man Ice mining we used to see. During one of the skill prerequisite restructures, two of my mains had huge amounts of skills go green check that weren't there before. When I made my accounts they were designed to be dedicated empire chars and whatever they did, I now pretty much have 4 mains with all racials up to and including Capital if I start shelling out for the Carrier, Dread and Titan books. They aren't requisite locked like they used to be.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#24 - 2014-07-14 13:18:06 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
I'm pro-Amarr I'm all for slave trade. Works as intended TM.

you just won the thread Big smile
Anthar Thebess
#25 - 2014-07-14 13:20:32 UTC
I would prefer that CCP made most of the cyno chars obsolete, not alts that actually do something.
But you are right this might be the reason.

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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-07-14 13:25:53 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.

This, in my experience, due to the nature of "leveling" in EVE, the character bazaar is like a flock of cicadas, every couple years theres a shitton that reach maturity and show up all at once.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#27 - 2014-07-14 13:31:48 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
I would prefer that CCP made most of the cyno chars obsolete, not alts that actually do something.
But you are right this might be the reason.


Cyno alt is the last of them for sure unless you count logout placers for Titans and Super carriers but those aren't as abundant. Back to my scenario, I have 4 accounts with 4 mains that all have Cyno 5, Black Ops and covert Industrials. The cyno Alt is more of a core to me because of the Covert Cyno and covert jump portal Generation features. Being able to daisy chain them over 4 accounts was one of my EVE goals for a long time.
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#28 - 2014-07-14 13:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Sexy Cakes
Tippia wrote:
Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters — after all, what would be the point?


To get ISK to plex their main?

I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex.

Not today spaghetti.
Anthar Thebess
#29 - 2014-07-14 13:44:11 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters — after all, what would be the point?


To get ISK to plex their main?

I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex.


Why did you quit playing, and why are you still plexing your main?

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#30 - 2014-07-14 13:47:22 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters — after all, what would be the point?


To get ISK to plex their main?

I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex.


Why did you quit playing, and why are you still plexing your main?

"I quit, but I keep plexing my account."

Mind blown.

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Sodabro
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-07-14 14:04:50 UTC
good.
Serene Repose
#32 - 2014-07-14 14:26:40 UTC
Tippia wrote:
...Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters — after all, what would be the point?
Tippia. Tippia. When will you ever learn? If you keep bringing up facts and logic you leave no room for panic and hysteria!

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2014-07-14 14:30:53 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters — after all, what would be the point?


To get ISK to plex their main?

I pretty much quit playing since about 6 weeks ago and have been thinking of selling an alt so I don't have to log on and bore myself to death grinding out a plex.


So you've gone from playing Eve Online to Skill Queue Online. A worthy choice! There are many advatages over Eve, most notably that no one involved in the managing of skill queues will ever suicide gank your skill queue. You will never suffer the ignominy of having your latest loss mail called out as an ALOD on the Mittani.com, nor will you ever need to have jump fuel for your skill queue. Industrial Changes coming in Crius? Pffft - whatever. PL hotdrops another cruiser gang in low sec with 500 gazillion Titans? No worry for you.

Keep on skilling you mighty skiller you.

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-07-14 15:25:33 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.
Here is graph, draw youw own conclusions.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

CCP not doing enough to revive EVE and make it interesting for newer players. They prefer to stew in their own sause, rehashing same old concepts with new graphics.

If hey introduced a PvP arena, would be step in the right direction. But, whatever. Their future on the line, not mine.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#35 - 2014-07-14 15:39:39 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.
Here is graph, draw youw own conclusions.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

CCP not doing enough to revive EVE and make it interesting for newer players. They prefer to stew in their own sause, rehashing same old concepts with new graphics.

If hey introduced a PvP arena, would be step in the right direction. But, whatever. Their future on the line, not mine.


Translation: "CCP could save EVE by making it not EVE with some instant gratification/honorable 1v1 set piece crap"

I'd honestly rather see EVE die defiant and whole than see it limp along as some neo-thempark monstrosity.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-07-14 15:40:19 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.
Here is graph, draw youw own conclusions.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



And so far on the all time graph it looks alot like about a third repeat of the same slump. Hard to tell if this one is significant yet.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-07-14 15:51:53 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.
Here is graph, draw youw own conclusions.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



And so far on the all time graph it looks alot like about a third repeat of the same slump. Hard to tell if this one is significant yet.



Its significant. Every successive nadir of the "slump" is lower then the previous slump. Basically average number of logons is 25k, whereas last year it was 31k, and current level dropped to where EVE was in 2008.

All that growth since 2008 - poof. Gone. That is a horrendous statistic.

And drastic circumstances require drastic actions. Too bad CCP doesn't see it. Oh well.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2014-07-14 15:52:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.
Actually, they haven't. They have gone up and down — the major drop happened back in May/early June. Right now, they're slowly recovering, having almost halved the drop compared to last year's numbers.

Quote:
Every successive nadir of the "slump" is lower then the previous slump.
Just one problem: that's not really what's happening. Last year saw no nadir at all; the year before that only showed one when you compare to the pre-incarna numbers, but are actually heading up so there is no slump; the summer of rage was the summer of rage. Hell, the biggest difference between this year and last year doesn't even coincide with any kind of slump or nadir in either of the two years.

You're making an incorrect generalisation from a single data point — incorrect both in terms of the factual basis and in terms of not being a proper generalisation.

Quote:
If hey introduced a PvP arena, would be step in the right direction.
This already exists.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#39 - 2014-07-14 15:53:19 UTC
It's only problematic if those characters don't find buyers anymore. As long as they are sold, people are playing.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-07-14 15:53:51 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:

People are leaving EVE basically. Number of active logons have been steadily dropping since last year.
Here is graph, draw youw own conclusions.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility



And so far on the all time graph it looks alot like about a third repeat of the same slump. Hard to tell if this one is significant yet.



Its significant. Every successive nadir of the "slump" is lower then the previous slump. Basically average number of logons is 25k, whereas last year it was 31k, and current level dropped to where EVE was in 2008.

All that growth since 2008 - poof. Gone. That is a horrendous statistic.

And drastic circumstances require drastic actions. Too bad CCP doesn't see it. Oh well.



If you say so. I guess I should just quit now. Shame cause I'm still enjoying this game.