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Character baazar flooded by high SP characters.
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Anthar Thebess
#1 - 2014-07-14 10:27:00 UTC
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-07-14 10:31:53 UTC
"hurr durr eve is dying"

Some people train toons specifically to sell them and make bank.

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Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-07-14 10:37:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Grunanca
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


If anything, blame the blue doughnut... People burn out really fast when there is no action, and combine this with each side of the 0.0 coalitions hotdropping anything down to a single cruiser in a low sec, killing off the action that used to happen there. EVE hasn't been more boring than this for a very long time... 0.0 enities making their wallets fat are killing off anything to use these isk for just as fast.

All you can hope for is that some part of 0.0 realises this at some point soon. Untill then.. Gratz to the goons, you said you would ruin the game and you did it! Of course with the help fromy uor enemies, but does it matter as long as you reached the goal?
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-07-14 10:38:56 UTC
Grr goons?

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Pine Marten
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-07-14 10:39:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pine Marten
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?


So your saying a 30m sp pilot is 16b according to current plex price? Nobody is going to pay that. 32b for a 60m pilot? 64b for a 120m sp pilot?

No way dude. Of course they are below price because plex prices are high because of speculation and free market. Hell Id probably take 16b for mine and im 51m sp lol. maybe.

My sub runs out in about 16 hours anyways, im tempted to just firesale him and see how much I could get but I just cant be bothered to make a thread in bazaar. :P Ill just let him sit and get ate by maggots.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#6 - 2014-07-14 10:54:54 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
…which probably didn't have anything to do with, for a long time, there was no real industry in building characters for resale, much less time enough to bring them up to 100M+ SP.

Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters — after all, what would be the point?
Setsune Rin
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2014-07-14 10:56:30 UTC
the going rate for characters has been in the 330-400 m range per million SP for quite a while, depending on the focus and demand for rare skills

you're instead suggesting 533, i haven't seen that for quite some time
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-07-14 10:57:43 UTC
Meanwhile - I've reached 10 mil SP - \o/ hurray me!

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Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#9 - 2014-07-14 11:01:41 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
…which probably didn't have anything to do with, for a long time, there was no real industry in building characters for resale, much less time enough to bring them up to 100M+ SP.

Also, if people stop playing, they don't sell their characters — after all, what would be the point?


Pretty much this. What good would be a bunch of isk if you stop playing? Now you should get worried if people sell those 100 million + chars for real money on Ebay or character selling/RMT sites. After all, if you decided on quiting Eve anyway, that EULA isn't muct of an deterrent anymore.
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#10 - 2014-07-14 11:08:48 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

1) EVE is 11+ years old. It's normal to see high SP characters on market;
2) Many characters on the bazaar are not mains, but rather alts;
3) Alts are or created with a purpose in mind. CCP has done some extensive re-balancing of many aspects in the game. Every time there's re-balance there is an increased interest in certain types of characters depending on the part of the game that's being changed. Some players use this increased demand to sell their characters at higher price than usual. On the other hand, refocusing gameplay to some other area (which is more frequent at re-balancing) produces offering of other types of characters on the market that the player won't use any more.

Overall, you can say that characters are being sold because EVE is dying, but at the same time I can say that the market and the game is more alive because of the increased activity on character bazaar market. Neither me or you can claim for sure that either of us is right or wrong based on character bazaar activity alone.
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#11 - 2014-07-14 11:16:30 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

1) EVE is 11+ years old. It's normal to see high SP characters on market;
2) Many characters on the bazaar are not mains, but rather alts;
3) Alts are or created with a purpose in mind. CCP has done some extensive re-balancing of many aspects in the game. Every time there's re-balance there is an increased interest in certain types of characters depending on the part of the game that's being changed. Some players use this increased demand to sell their characters at higher price than usual. On the other hand, refocusing gameplay to some other area (which is more frequent at re-balancing) produces offering of other types of characters on the market that the player won't use any more.

Overall, you can say that characters are being sold because EVE is dying, but at the same time I can say that the market and the game is more alive because of the increased activity on character bazaar market. Neither me or you can claim for sure that either of us is right or wrong based on character bazaar activity alone.
You don't sound like you actually have lots of experience in the matter, like Mr. Epeen for example.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
Antihrist Pripravnik
Cultural Enrichment and Synergy of Diversity
Stain Neurodiverse Democracy
#12 - 2014-07-14 11:23:03 UTC
Christina Project wrote:
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Anthar Thebess wrote:
For a very long time i didn't see so many 100mln + sp characters sold like now each week.
Market is just flooded in them, and you can easily buy a 50-80mln sp char way below the price , especially when you calculate :
1 plex = 1.5mln sp = 800mln ISK

I wonder why :
- people stop playing
- people reduce their character number because of the plex prices.

Is this next sign about bad health of EVE online?

1) EVE is 11+ years old. It's normal to see high SP characters on market;
2) Many characters on the bazaar are not mains, but rather alts;
3) Alts are or created with a purpose in mind. CCP has done some extensive re-balancing of many aspects in the game. Every time there's re-balance there is an increased interest in certain types of characters depending on the part of the game that's being changed. Some players use this increased demand to sell their characters at higher price than usual. On the other hand, refocusing gameplay to some other area (which is more frequent at re-balancing) produces offering of other types of characters on the market that the player won't use any more.

Overall, you can say that characters are being sold because EVE is dying, but at the same time I can say that the market and the game is more alive because of the increased activity on character bazaar market. Neither me or you can claim for sure that either of us is right or wrong based on character bazaar activity alone.
You don't sound like you actually have lots of experience in the matter, like Mr. Epeen for example.


ok
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#13 - 2014-07-14 11:38:34 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
ok
Not clicking that.
And do you actually trade a lot of characters, like Mr. Epeen?

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Anthar Thebess
#14 - 2014-07-14 11:39:11 UTC
Well you are not selling character useful to you.
Alts are mostly <20mil sp characters, specialized, or any level sp industrial characters.

Eve will not die, but it is not in good health either.
Current number of active people - those who bother to login - is similar to this that we had in 2008.

If people are leaving , i wonder why.

Yes sov needs fixing.
Power projection also discourages people from login.

Do you think that we are loosing players because CCP is making eve flat.
Since 2008 ccp made eve simpler ( and it is still in this process).

Maybe we are loosing players that liked the complexity of eve.

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All Hail Boobies
#15 - 2014-07-14 12:09:29 UTC
Personally... I think it's just people selling off alts they don't use often enough to warrant 800 million ISK for a PLEX each month. One good thing about the PLEX prices right now is a lot of alts are leaving the game, and we can see how many people are actually playing. The EVE numbers show it, just check out the history on eve-offline.
Anthar Thebess
#16 - 2014-07-14 12:38:49 UTC
You can have 3 alts on account.
Sell 100mil character , or spend 2 plexes to move it to other account , and no more need for subscribing , while you can still use it.

Suspend account ... and wait for better days.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-07-14 12:50:23 UTC
I stopped at your highly scientific observations that led to the determination of the market being flooded.

IMO I have seen a fair number of high SP characters for sale, so I'm not convinced just by your word that there has actually been a significant change.
Anthar Thebess
#18 - 2014-07-14 12:55:35 UTC
I posted here to check if my assumptions are correct, i'm observing market fof a while ~ 2y+ and 3-4 high sp characters on each page is something new for me.

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Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#19 - 2014-07-14 12:56:30 UTC
Anthar Thebess wrote:
You can have 3 alts on account.
Sell 100mil character , or spend 2 plexes to move it to other account , and no more need for subscribing , while you can still use it.

Suspend account ... and wait for better days.


Because of the high plex prices i have just done this. I moved a 25 million sp industry al to one of my other accounts, and closed that account.

So CCP is down one account.

Hey, its not my problem. If plex prices go down again to 400-500 million i gladly restart that account or take another third one. Its their call. :)
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#20 - 2014-07-14 13:01:34 UTC
PLEX prices are about as much CCP's call as character bazaar rates are.

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