EVE General Discussion

To be fair, being 100% logical in any game is boring. I can't think of many games in which my experience was improved by excessive optimization. There's a point at which you must sacrifice success for fun.

We've had fun. It's been fun. Sure, we could reset all our allies and have fun shooting them, but after a time we'd reach equilibrium again, only this time without space and without friends (so even worse than now).

Can the great northernassociatesdot sacrifice some space for fun, thanks

suddenly, delegitimization via game mechanics

in our next patch

It's the mittani, and this is general discussion

There's some puppetmastering and GD will root it out.

I started playing 3 months ago, still figuring things out but enjoying the experience.... But this isn't the first open PvP sandbox MMO I had played, so I knew what to expect in regards to griefers and gankers and what not. In my experience's so far, Eve is very tame.. sure I was ganked 6 times, podded 4 day one, and just got ganked and podded tonight.. and yes I've seen all the isk traders wanting to scam me from my money.


You see, I had previous experience as a beta tester for 10/Six. Basically it was an empty planet full of gas and you get a plot of land to mine. there were 5 vents per plot, and your home plot can't be attacked until you first leave it. people would talk new players into leaving the plot if they wanted to come pick up a better gun within minutes of their first loading in. Most clans made their money by claiming all the land around a noob, and then offer to sell them one only to take both by force once they moved out.

one of the better ones we saw was there would be clans "dedicated" to protecting noobies. they'd get like 20 new players to agree to mutual defense - the leaders would come visit the noobs so they didn't have to leave and help them develop the land for max production....... but the 2-3 vet's that are running the clan are also part of a much larger clan - so when all the noobs go to defend the attack on their leaders - the leaders other clan comes and takes all the already developed, undefended land, then they plop down drones to defend it so the noobs can't take it back, and finish the whole thing off with their former leaders emailing them " I can't believe you fell for that" " dumbf@*#$" and so on.

No, I meant the post earlier this week about why he is going to start blogging again. There are one or two tongue in cheek references to it being a big troll.

I gathered that too. Hope it's all a troll lol.

If it isn't, it's wrong headed. When i started playing EVE was much harsher. Year after Year CCP has taken well intentioned but ultimately foolish steps aimed at 'openning up' the game and makign the new player experience better yada, yada. When it was a totally harsh universe of darkness it grew, now that there is all this hand holding crap (like safeties and multiple warning about jumping into unsafe space just to name a couple), the growth stops.

It's because there are 2 types of people, the kind that will like a game like EVE and those who won't. Change it to cater to those who won't and they STILL won't come or stay, while at the very same time you loose the loyal customer that actually liked EVE and was willing to keep paying for it.

One of the best things about the Goons is that they RIP their (new to the game) newbs out of high sec/safety damn near the second they are 'born'. They do that so that the newb will see real EVE not the 'EVE-lite' protected space is. Sink or Swim has been used for centuries to wonderful effect.

The Spartans did it, sent young men out into the wild to earn their manhood. If the Spartans of old were like the Carebears of today, Leonidas would have been locked in a room with 2 blind and lame kittens "so he could ease his way into being a warrior without beng griefed by actually dangerous animals" lol.

Screw a newb safe zone. You want to improve the NPE, have people start in low sec so that real EVE isn't such a damn shock to them when they experience it. There is a reason my country's Marines are trained in San Diego and Paris Island instead of Beverly Hills and the Hamptons........

Sink or swim... while being showered in ISK, skillbooks, and free frigates. And when they move up the ladder to doctrine ships, those have ISK reimbursement (which Goonwaffe members get a special cut of, although other member corps are free to do this as well). They're also brought in having already established themselves in the culture of Goons (having made the requisite transaction of tenbux, United States Dollars).

Goonwaffe's NPE is not one that the game is able to replicate on its own. If you were to make an actual sink-or-swim NPE you'd place the player in nullsec with pretty limited support. Can't give people isk - that would be abused pretty hard. Can't give people too many ships - that would be abused pretty hard. Can't really bring a player in with established social groups, because those that can do so are already doing so. Free skillbooks is about it. You dump new players into space with free-engagement and they're just going to get killed with impunity, and quit because they have no chance of fighting back. The same would happen even if you restricted this pvp to the new characters only, since there's no reliable way for the game to tell if a player of a new character is actually new themselves or not. You end up with the same situation.

Mittens could come out right now and say he's trolling. Wouldn't change any of what I've written here.

Whatever the problem, TiDi, disconnects, POS issues, losing that Titan etc, hi-sec is to blame.