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Eve Online Culture/Meta: The best and worst part of the game

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#21 - 2014-07-11 20:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Carmen Electra
Worst part of the game: these threads

Bacon makes us stronger
Tiger Tesla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-11 21:16:29 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tiger Tesla wrote:


Kum by yah? Did I say I didn't like PvP, ganking, spies, or anything of that sort? I'm not saying that at all, in fact I love Eve because of those challenges. Don't confuse being an antagonist with being an ******* out of game.


So how exactly do you think that judgement and punishment should be meted out to people outside of EvE?

And why?

And what qualifies as being a 7*, as you put it?


Not talking about punishment at all, just wondering what other players think of the meta community and if we should strive to be kinder to one another out of game. And 7* was a-hole.
Tiger Tesla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-07-11 21:18:37 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Worst part of the game: these threads


Not sure if you are meaning to make my point or just think that I was asking for it from the start :-P
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
#24 - 2014-07-11 21:23:11 UTC
Tiger Tesla wrote:



Tldr: Eve has many nice players, we should encourage that and discourage bullies/trolls. What do you guys think?


I agree with you. And, as expected, the usual suspects have already started to roll in here and try to distract everyone with their BS, like any good communist state media outlet would do. I cannot wait for Malcom and Tippia to opine. I am sure it will be enlightening.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#25 - 2014-07-11 21:57:54 UTC
For this, I will defer to the wise CCP Falcon...

CCP Falcon wrote:


EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.



/thread

Big smileRollPirate

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Tiger Tesla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-07-11 22:15:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger Tesla
Forum double posted
Tiger Tesla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-07-11 22:16:53 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
For this, I will defer to the wise CCP Falcon...

CCP Falcon wrote:


EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.



/thread

Big smileRollPirate


I am familiar with that quote from CCP Falcon, but once again I am not talking about how people play their character. I am not suggesting a departure from the rule that applies 99.9% of the time which is NBSI. What I'm talking about is the general attitude that players outside the game have.

Although one of the appeals of Eve Online is the difficulty, that harshness should end with the Eve client, unless of course everyone is role playing in all things Eve. I often feel the Mittani is almost always in character, but also that his character is an extension of himself.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#28 - 2014-07-11 22:19:53 UTC
Be the change that you wish to see.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#29 - 2014-07-11 22:39:49 UTC
Shizuken wrote:
Tiger Tesla wrote:



Tldr: Eve has many nice players, we should encourage that and discourage bullies/trolls. What do you guys think?


I agree with you. And, as expected, the usual suspects have already started to roll in here and try to distract everyone with their BS, like any good communist state media outlet would do. I cannot wait for Malcom and Tippia to opine. I am sure it will be enlightening.


The only thing Tippia ever* did wrong was bury her opponents with logic.







































By "ever," I mean from what I've read on the Forums.

Thank me later :D
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#30 - 2014-07-11 22:50:37 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
Shizuken wrote:
Tiger Tesla wrote:



Tldr: Eve has many nice players, we should encourage that and discourage bullies/trolls. What do you guys think?


I agree with you. And, as expected, the usual suspects have already started to roll in here and try to distract everyone with their BS, like any good communist state media outlet would do. I cannot wait for Malcom and Tippia to opine. I am sure it will be enlightening.


The only thing Tippia ever* did wrong was bury her opponents with logic.

By "ever," I mean from what I've read on the Forums.


y u distort forum layout Evil

Just because someone uses lots of logic doesn't mean they're not annoying*

*general statement not directed at anyone in partippia


Bacon makes us stronger
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#31 - 2014-07-11 22:54:48 UTC
While I agree that some are "auto-trolls", my experience is that most posters take a stance based on the OP. I do for sure.

Look at it this way:

"This mechanic sucks! CCP failed hard. How do they expect to keep EVE alive when this happens! You need to change this CCP or I will unsub!"

OR

"I believe this mechanic is flawed. Because of A, B and C. I think it should be D"


Both will attract the HTFU, go back to WoW etc responses. But which one will also have a "I disagree, I think it should be E" response tucked in there you think?

Also; I would advise not to use this forum's search function. Grab Google and type in 4 or 5 keywords. That way you will have access to the old forum as well. If your answer isn't in here you can check those. Some answers are outdated, but those that aren't were written by folks that played a much harder version of EVE.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#32 - 2014-07-11 23:25:21 UTC
Tiger Tesla wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tiger Tesla wrote:


Kum by yah? Did I say I didn't like PvP, ganking, spies, or anything of that sort? I'm not saying that at all, in fact I love Eve because of those challenges. Don't confuse being an antagonist with being an ******* out of game.


So how exactly do you think that judgement and punishment should be meted out to people outside of EvE?

And why?

And what qualifies as being a 7*, as you put it?


Not talking about punishment at all, just wondering what other players think of the meta community and if we should strive to be kinder to one another out of game. And 7* was a-hole.


Oh I see.

Well, I guess, uh... um..... I have no idea. I dont really see what people do outside of game is something that affects me

Also, I kinda knew what word you meant, I was avoiding it as I find that word very distasteful, but thats just me

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-07-11 23:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Grog Aftermath
Tiger Tesla wrote:

I am familiar with that quote from CCP Falcon, but once again I am not talking about how people play their character. I am not suggesting a departure from the rule that applies 99.9% of the time which is NBSI. What I'm talking about is the general attitude that players outside the game have.

Although one of the appeals of Eve Online is the difficulty, that harshness should end with the Eve client, unless of course everyone is role playing in all things Eve. I often feel the Mittani is almost always in character, but also that his character is an extension of himself.


Your obviously talking about the forums otherwise this thread is in the wrong forum.

If you read the GD forum you could be forgiven for thinking EVE has a bad community, but to be honest I've never really seen that much evidence of that in game.

If you're the type of person that gets upset (not necessarily talking about you) with the type of comments in GD then you're better off not reading them. You would probably have a better gaming experience if you're that way inclined.

Actually GD seems fairly normal to me, where you have a PvP group and PvE group sharing the same servers.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2014-07-11 23:50:11 UTC
This game is an entirely voluntary participatory media. You aren't "bullied" by an interaction you expressly agreed to. Whether you were dumb enough to realize it or not. Using that word is entirely inappropriate in a video game, that you can just turn off with the press of a button or a mouseclick, and using it in this context denigrates real victims in real life.

This internet social justice bullshit really irritates me. No, I will not dumb the game down for the sake of the weak minded and the thin skinned. No, I will not alter my behavior for the possibility of encountering a genuinely new player.

And above all else, I will not be told what to do by pansy, mealy mouthed limp wristed weaklings who are only out to cry loud enough to handcuff my freedom as a player.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#35 - 2014-07-12 00:19:46 UTC
Im one of the best guys you will ever meet

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#36 - 2014-07-12 00:34:18 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
This game is an entirely voluntary participatory media. You aren't "bullied" by an interaction you expressly agreed to. Whether you were dumb enough to realize it or not. Using that word is entirely inappropriate in a video game, that you can just turn off with the press of a button or a mouseclick, and using it in this context denigrates real victims in real life.

This internet social justice bullshit really irritates me. No, I will not dumb the game down for the sake of the weak minded and the thin skinned. No, I will not alter my behavior for the possibility of encountering a genuinely new player.

And above all else, I will not be told what to do by pansy, mealy mouthed limp wristed weaklings who are only out to cry loud enough to handcuff my freedom as a player.

I see that you need to be identified as part of the problem

and "dealt with"


Because eve is dying, or something

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#37 - 2014-07-12 00:44:19 UTC
Well you just ignore it, is what you do.

I don't mean use the "ignore function" or whatever, but old fashioned ignoring.
Gorinia Sanford
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2014-07-12 01:47:46 UTC
Tiger Tesla wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
The real question is this: if you are so sensitive that the 'bad' behavior bothers you, why would you have an internet connection in the 1st place choose to be a part of the EVE community?


Do I come off as that sensitive? I am just observant. It is a widespread view of gamers outside Eve (as well as within) that our community has a very vocal minority that encourage and live for bullying. Between the former head of the CSM encouraging members of the community to make a player commit suicide and the whole Erotica1 incident I'm surprised you don't see the same thing.

And btw, I am a member of this community and plan to be for some time. The "well if you don't like it you can leave" response is just immature.


Case in point, James 315 and the "Code". Or as I like to call it, you're not playing Eve my way, therefore you're wrong.
Serptimis
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-07-12 02:12:13 UTC
KnowUsByTheDead wrote:
For this, I will defer to the wise CCP Falcon...

CCP Falcon wrote:


EVE is a 11 year long (so far) arena match that keeps moving forward. Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials so far, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent thinking.



/thread

Big smileRollPirate

Yeah, the self congratulatory nonsense about how we are all so awesome to stick with this game might suit CCP to propagate, but if you think only the sharpest, fastest thinking are playing this game, you're delusional.
Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#40 - 2014-07-12 02:21:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Christina Project
Your portrait is really well done, Tesla.


The current meta is quite horrible, if you can call it that. A possible conclusion would be that
the "good" people fail at being good and that's why the "bad" people have the upper hand.
And the "bad" people don't use their full potential and too many "roleplay" idiots.

And that's just one perspective!
There are so many ... and currently the most likely ones have a ****** outcome.

[i]"Don't look into another human's bowl to see how much he has ... ... look into his bowl to see if he has enough !" - Sol[/i]
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