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Criminal Suspect Flag Exploit In Highsec

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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#21 - 2014-07-11 19:46:27 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked.

I thank you for your automatic foolish assumptions they are as sweet as tears.

I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation.


If you want to gank you take your chances, everyone knows that. This is an exploit for those without the courage to face the consequences of combat, they want a get out of combat free card to play by re-docking or switching status once you target them. So if you trolls stand with the cowards I fully support the right for you to choose to stand with your peers.


yes and screw most of the militia men fighting for their faction because of your stupid idea.

again, use your common sense please.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2014-07-11 19:47:18 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked.


1) So what's your problem?

2) No one is trolling you, most in fact have pointed out if its a problem, dont engage where the enemy can get an advantage you dont believe you can counter

3) If you really are 36, you should probably man up

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2014-07-11 19:48:59 UTC
Yea this isnt an exploit, its just high sec docking games.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-07-11 19:50:16 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
For all the trolls, I have not engaged a criminal suspect that was able to defeat me even after they re-docked.

I thank you for your automatic foolish assumptions they are as sweet as tears.

I simply think taking an option away from one pilot while giving it to a criminal suspect legally engaged is an unintended consequence of CCP's implementation.


If you want to gank you take your chances, everyone knows that. This is an exploit for those without the courage to face the consequences of combat, they want a get out of combat free card to play by re-docking or switching status once you target them. So if you trolls stand with the cowards I fully support the right for you to choose to stand with your peers.

You do realize that Criminals and Suspects are different things right? These individuals are suspects, not criminals. If they were criminals, concord would be involved.

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Raposao1978
#25 - 2014-07-11 19:51:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?
How is it being exploited?

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I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.

1. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns.
2. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking.
3. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted.
4. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots.
1. Means removing the suspect timer completely. So no.
2. Already exists in the form of a weapons timer, so no.
3. Is nonsensical — no-one can “change their flagging status” — so no.
4. Removes the point both the suspect flag and the limited engagement, so no.

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Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed.
100% incorrect.

What you're describing is not an exploit and what you're suggesting as a “solution” to this non-issue shows a fundamental misunderstanding of every last aspect of CrimeWatch, its mechanisms, and its purpose.

So no.

Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on? Have you undocked a ship or are you a forum troll? Your lack of knowledge of game mechanics is laughable. It explains why your critique of my positions are completely wrong, you are ignorant and perhaps not just mean spirited.

Why so many small mined people think I got shot by this is truly enjoyable, they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario .... where of course they are right .... sweeter than tears are the bleating sounds of the self deluded!

Self destruct so i can have your salvage ..... i'll get it anyway ..... and this saves us both some time!
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#26 - 2014-07-11 19:53:39 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:

Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on?

...

Why so many small mined people think I got shot by this is truly enjoyable, they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario .... where of course they are right .... sweeter than tears are the bleating sounds of the self deluded!


Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?


Perhaps if you didnt switch what your OP was actually about midway through the thread, you might actually get less derision

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
TharOkha
0asis Group
#27 - 2014-07-11 19:59:26 UTC
please tell me that you are just a troll Big smile

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#28 - 2014-07-11 19:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Raposao1978 wrote:
Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on?
They're not switches, so no. Neither has anyone else except maybe the odd GM or dev.

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Have you undocked a ship or are you a forum troll? Your lack of knowledge of game mechanics is laughable. It explains why your critique of my positions are completely wrong, you are ignorant and perhaps not just mean spirited.
You really shouldn't talk to yourself — it creates the impression that you're off your rocker.

The fact remains: what you're describing is not an exploit; what you're offering as a “solution” is unnecessary, fundamentally misunderstands how crimewatch works, and breaks the mechanic you're trying to address. Becoming abusive just shows that you are as familiar with proper argumentation as you are with CrimeWatch and explains why you are unable to actually demonstrate anything that's wrong with my answer.

So no.

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they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario
Your scenario is thoroughly devoid of any facts, and instead mainly consists of your fundamental misunderstanding of the mechanics and design decisions involved.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2014-07-11 20:00:26 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?
How is it being exploited?

Quote:
I would like to present solutions and not just a complaint.

1. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be subject to Concord cops, gate guns, and station guns.
2. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to re-dock at any station for five (5) minutes after undocking.
3. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be unable to change their Criminal Suspect status while targeted.
4. Criminal Suspect flagged pilots should be restricted from limited engagement rights with non-criminal suspect pilots.
1. Means removing the suspect timer completely. So no.
2. Already exists in the form of a weapons timer, so no.
3. Is nonsensical — no-one can “change their flagging status” — so no.
4. Removes the point both the suspect flag and the limited engagement, so no.

Quote:
Duels allow any pilot to get fights from willing participants in highsec, this is an exploit that needs to be removed.
100% incorrect.

What you're describing is not an exploit and what you're suggesting as a “solution” to this non-issue shows a fundamental misunderstanding of every last aspect of CrimeWatch, its mechanisms, and its purpose.

So no.

Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on? Have you undocked a ship or are you a forum troll? Your lack of knowledge of game mechanics is laughable. It explains why your critique of my positions are completely wrong, you are ignorant and perhaps not just mean spirited.

Why so many small mined people think I got shot by this is truly enjoyable, they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario .... where of course they are right .... sweeter than tears are the bleating sounds of the self deluded!


Those arn't tears. Please don't abuse that word.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#30 - 2014-07-11 20:03:47 UTC
OP is just stupid, please ignore.

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Raposao1978
#31 - 2014-07-11 20:03:59 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Raposao1978 wrote:

Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on?

...

Why so many small mined people think I got shot by this is truly enjoyable, they completely ignore the facts of my position and create their own fantasy scenario .... where of course they are right .... sweeter than tears are the bleating sounds of the self deluded!


Raposao1978 wrote:
Something needs to be done to stop the annoying exploit of criminal suspect flagged pilots hanging around trade hubs hoping to bait non-criminal flagged pilots into engaging them only to have them instantly dock and re-emerge in a bigger tougher ship?


Perhaps if you didnt switch what your OP was actually about midway through the thread, you might actually get less derision

I can not speak to your individual capacity but many people can juggle more then one idea at a time. I mentioned the things I wished to discuss here in the EVE General Discussion forum, why that makes some people bleat like frightened sheep is truly entertaining.

I'll
try
to
slow
down
and
make
it
easier
for
some
of
you
to
keep
up.

Self destruct so i can have your salvage ..... i'll get it anyway ..... and this saves us both some time!
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#32 - 2014-07-11 20:05:42 UTC
I dont get it.

- If you agress, you cant dock for a minute.
- If he doesnt shoot back, he can dock.
- While docked, he can change ship.

It works like this all over EVE. Always has.

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#33 - 2014-07-11 20:08:10 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
I can not speak to your individual capacity but many people can juggle more then one idea at a time. I mentioned the things I wished to discuss here in the EVE General Discussion forum, why that makes some people bleat like frightened sheep is truly entertaining.

I'll try to slow down and make it easier for some of you to keep up.

Nah. Instead, you should try to either learn what is meant by “exploit” and describe one being used, or stop using that word. Then you should try to learn how crimewatch works and why.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-07-11 20:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Raposao1978 wrote:
Complete bunk


I avoid calling troll on people, I find it very childish and poor most times.

But your last post, well its really a text book definition of a poor attempt.

Goodbye.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
Aideron Robotics.
#35 - 2014-07-11 20:14:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Nat Silverguard
again people, OP is just stupid, please ignore.

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Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-07-11 20:15:00 UTC
Not an exploit. Try not to be so bad at EVE, and learn game mechanics.

Also, IB4L

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Iain Cariaba
#37 - 2014-07-11 20:15:06 UTC
Raposao1978 wrote:
Have you ever switched your criminal suspect status off an on?

Considering that not only are criminal and suspect flags seperate and that you cannot turn them off and on at will your question makes zero sense. Suspect flag comes from doing something mildly against concord law, like stealing from a can or shooting an MTU. Criminal flag comes from shooting other players you don't have authority to shoot via concord laws. The only control you have over turning these on is whether or not you engage in the restricted activity. The onlg way to turn them off is to wait out the timers.

Raposao1978 wrote:
Have you undocked a ship or are you a forum troll?

Reread your own post that I'm quoting parts of and ask yourself that same question.

Raposao1978 wrote:
Your lack of knowledge of game mechanics is laughable.

Read my first rebuttal and realize that you are the one who lacks this knowledge.

Thus ends my rebuttal as the rest of your post is useless drivel that makes no point in a discussion.
Raposao1978
#38 - 2014-07-11 20:18:55 UTC
Yarda Black wrote:
I dont get it.

- If you agress, you cant dock for a minute.
- If he doesnt shoot back, he can dock.
- While docked, he can change ship.

It works like this all over EVE. Always has.


Finally someone with a point !

I agree, but the suspect flag is new, I think the agress mechanic should not be triggered by attacking a suspect flagged pilot.

Until the suspect flag was introduced aggressing another pilot would subject you to other consequences including Concord if I am not mistaken.

This is the equivalent of shooting an NPC pirate and then not being able to dock.

A suspect flagged pilot should be treated like a NPC pirate as far as triggering a mechanic that disables the non-suspect pilot from docking.

That is why I put forth the idea that this is an exploit, an unintended consequence. You don't have to agree, but this forum is for discussion, unless I am mistaken.

Self destruct so i can have your salvage ..... i'll get it anyway ..... and this saves us both some time!
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#39 - 2014-07-11 20:22:51 UTC
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15. Posting about bugs and exploits is prohibited.

Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a bug report for our Quality Assurance department. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the EVE Online community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation.

If you believe you have found an exploit, I ask that you petition it so that the matter may be properly addressed, as the forums are not the right place for that sort of request. Thank you.

In addition, please do not stretch the forums layout.

Thread closed.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
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