EVE General Discussion

SImple: because the freely available versions are 1) utter shyte 2) not even remotely similar 3) dead within a year.
Should anyone actually create a game like EVE that is F2P, it will inevitably have both those qualities for the simple reason that a game such as EVE can't really use any of the hooks that F2P relies on and still be the free-form, single-server sandbox it is mean to be.

No, that is not the only way. Another way is to let people pay a fixed sum every month and thus gain access to every part of the game – no artificial gating off content; no artificial restriction on activities; no artificial hook to make you pay more than is actually necessary. Just pay and be on your way. People said very similar things to what you're saying when the most popular games on the planet all came from the shareware community… guess where we are today with that?

Which is EXACTLY why folks like me are opposed to the idea of 'opening up' the game to more people. 'People' are lazy, which is why the fact that there are a few games for non-lazy people is a good thing. And we want to preserve this type of game.

If you want to be lazy, there are dozens upon dozens of games that let you do that.

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They want to control what happens and generate their own content, but they want it *to be easy* for them to generate content, and this is where CCP comes in.[/quote]

noooooo, that's where their good sense comes in and they go "man, this game is a 2nd job, I'm going back to {insert generic mmo game name here} where I can be happy. At least that's how it works for the 50% of people who try the game and (smartly) realize it's not for them.

it's how it should work for everyone, but it doesn't Some people cling to 'wow, this game COULD be awesome' as a way to justify their decision to keep playing a game they don't like and are too lazy to enjoy.

As i said in the F&I thread about new players, gamers like that are no different from real life people who get together with some "D-Bag" because "he has so much potential" (ie "I think I can fix him and when i do i will have this noce trophy to show off to my peers, proving opnce and for all that I am better than them") when they could have just gotten together with a non- "D-bag" who actually has a chance to realize his potential and got on with life lol.



If you think that the game needs to be 'made better', have you ever took the time to consider that maybe it's your unreasonable personal needs and expectations regarding the game that might be the problem rather than some issue with the game's state?

What an interesting theory, given that EVE generated 15.6% higher revenue for 2013 than 2012, and has increased revenue every year for the last 6 you can view reports for?

If the subscription model is busted, then I guess the people increasing CCP's game revenue apparently never got your memo.

Also, if there is a free game out there that is EVE's equal, it's the best kept secret in the history of gaming, because neither I nor anyone I know has ever heard of such a game. There is no other game in the online space with a larger game world or more well developed, massive economy. Nothing is even close, not even remotely. And within each of ~5k systems, there's how much content? Saying someone else out there is doing the "massive" part of MMO gaming bigger than EVE is ridiculous.

Quite simply - saying that this, that, or the other is "proof" that EVE is dying is just absurd. EVE is fine, $15 per month to access a game world larger than every other online game world put together is not a "failing model" and the game doesn't need to be made easier or more attractive to new players who want WoW_in_space.

I honestly think that nullsec is the worst idea ever. Allowing massive alliances to hold massive quantities of space opens up the opportunity for the biggest troll/grief I have ever seen. They not only block out every other player they don't approve of getting to participate in it, but they also rent some or most of these systems out to people. To that me is the biggest insult. It reeks of elitism and entitlement at the highest levels.

They have essentially got a good portion of this games income generator by the balls, and therefore as a result other players have no choice but to either kiss these alliances butt or pay up. I bet if they could do the same to high sec they definitely would, and in fact I have no doubts they'll exploit ANY chance they get.

As far as I am aware the game may have spaceships in it but the real game is in the economy. If you have trolls sabotaging that economy for their own benefit you have closed off the game to those new players who could have had access to it. You have given a majority of the wealth to these troll alliances who build their massive fleets so they can further project their disgusting elitist and closed minded practices anywhere they want.

That isn't acceptable, it is toxic and will destroy EVE eventually.

I miss the the old 3D Realms and ID Software shareware days.

In that respect Eve is a pretty accurate reflection of the real world. Bizarrely enough that hasn't died in the ~200,000 years that man has been using and hoarding wealth at the expense of others.

You wanna try mining in Ungoro Crater if you think industry in EvE is hard

Dinosaurs don't cloak, don't pod and don't gloat in local that your mining permit has expired.

Screw Ungoro Crater.

Who said anything about dinosaurs? Im talking about Rogues and Pallys.

They do all those things and more

Mining in Ungoro Crater either with the PvP switch on or on a PvP server? *shudder* That's an exotic pleasure. At least here we have such lovely things as the Venture and now the Prospect, so screw the Ungoro Crater anyway.

Industry in EVE is not really -hard- as long as you get your spreadsheets right. It's boring.

Well, then, maybe getting the spreadsheets right is the hard part, but it is also mostly boring.

/agree on both analogies.

Another good console game that I've already mentioned but is very close to the EVE mentality, is Demon/Dark Souls. From Software and Demon/Dark Souls players LOVE how hard the game is, the mechanics of invading other players' game spaces and ganking them, etc. It's freaking brutal. And they keep making the game harder. It isn't for everyone, but they sell plenty of copies. That niche of gamers exists. They like games that speak their language.

EVE does just fine. $74million in revenue in 2013 means it isn't exactly dead. If that is just straight subscriptions, it represents the 3rd largest subscriber base in the MMO genre. Not bad for a game supposedly on life support. IMHO, YMMV.