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Semi AFK worth it?

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Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-07-11 12:03:50 UTC
Good day everybody.

I have a small change in circumstances coming up which means I will be working from home a lot more.

I wish to take advantage of that by using the 'semi afk' time to earn some ISK! I have three accounts and I was thinking of doing some mining as I crack on with work.

I know there are the risks of ganking and those that don't agree with semi afk/afk gameplay but hey ho!

I currently have one character that is only needing mining barge V to be able to fly exhumes, and the others have limited mining skills. I have just over a month to train towards something so I'd like some advice on set ups with three toons?

Many thanks for your time!
Nicola Arman
Deep Maw Salvage
#2 - 2014-07-11 12:12:58 UTC
Mine your heart out. Pick quieter systems and keep your combat drones out. This is EVE. Nothing is truly risk free but you could, with some luck, mine happily with little to no harassment.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3 - 2014-07-11 12:23:32 UTC
Just don't do it on the toon you started this thread with.
Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-07-11 12:51:04 UTC
Oh I won't!

And as far as mining with three accounts goes is three retrievers the best way of doing things ?
Kaea Astridsson
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#5 - 2014-07-11 13:33:08 UTC
Why is it that whenever someone wants "passive isk" they go for mining?! Why not something truly passive... like PI or Manufacturing.

If I'd go mining I know I would be sitting it out in a procurer. Brick tank that thing and mine away. You'll still have to check in and point that laser toward other rocks and head back to station more often using them as opposed to the retriever.

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Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-07-11 14:21:33 UTC
I don't know. I've never really looked into manufacturing. I do have PI set up.

How about a change of question - could I train up anything useful for manufacturing in a month?
Tarko Auduin
Hatfield FX
#7 - 2014-07-11 14:27:01 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
If I'd go mining I know I would be sitting it out in a procurer. Brick tank that thing and mine away. You'll still have to check in and point that laser toward other rocks and head back to station more often using them as opposed to the retriever.


Procurer is definitely the way to go, as long as you tank it like you're supposed to.

On an older account of mine about a year ago I was mining semi-afk in low sec with a stabbed and brick tanked procurer. Went back to check on the game to see if it was time to change rocks or empty, and realized I was trying to be killed by a pair of cruisers. Calmly recalled drones, tried to warp out and took me about 20 seconds to realize there was an asteroid in my way, manually flew around it, and warped out.

Think I was just hitting around 30% shields so yeah, procurers are awesome Big smile
Lorlen Nalelmir
Doomheim
#8 - 2014-07-11 15:03:31 UTC
Gertrude Guntermeiste wrote:
Good day everybody.

I have a small change in circumstances coming up which means I will be working from home a lot more.

I wish to take advantage of that by using the 'semi afk' time to earn some ISK! I have three accounts and I was thinking of doing some mining as I crack on with work.

I know there are the risks of ganking and those that don't agree with semi afk/afk gameplay but hey ho!

I currently have one character that is only needing mining barge V to be able to fly exhumes, and the others have limited mining skills. I have just over a month to train towards something so I'd like some advice on set ups with three toons?

Many thanks for your time!

You just behave to be aware that rats and players can come and bank you...that is the issue with semi faking and It happens to me too. SOsas long as your careful.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-07-11 15:12:02 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
Why is it that whenever someone wants "passive isk" they go for mining?! Why not something truly passive... like PI or Manufacturing.

If I'd go mining I know I would be sitting it out in a procurer. Brick tank that thing and mine away. You'll still have to check in and point that laser toward other rocks and head back to station more often using them as opposed to the retriever.

or you could do all three Shocked

@topic: the only thing you really need for effective manufacturing is the production efficiency skill at V. without it, you may end up producing at a loss, which is not what you want (d'uuh). as soon as this is dealt with, it's pretty much up to you. you can always find items that will produce for 500k per hour per production line. you can train up to 11 production lines per character but most people leave it at 10 (advanced mass production IV). branching out into invention and T2 production takes longer and involves some spreadsheet magic. also, be aware that crius's changes to industry are approaching quickly and the effects on the economy are hard to predict.

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Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-07-11 15:42:49 UTC
Thanks for all the replies! I think I'll do a whole bunch of reading up on manufacturing! Could be interesting but I am utterly clueless, let a lone knowing anything about the changes coming up Shocked
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-07-11 15:42:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
Imo, trading is the perfect semi-AFK activity.

Buy and sell when you feel like it.

Haul stuff when you have 15 minutes or so to spare (inter-hub trading is easier and less time-consuming than station trading, imo).

Make ISK while you sleep! Lol


Trading skills are a very fast train - lvl 5s aren't really necessary except for having more orders.

If you want to haul too, a blockade runner is perfect (for anything small like skillbooks, implants, modules, rigs, salvage, ...). It takes a bit to train but it's as safe as you can get.


EDIT: anything else you do (mining, PI, manufacturing) you'd have to buy/sell anyway, so why not just skip the rest of the work? Lol

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Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-11 16:05:07 UTC
In my experience the biggest risk is not getting any work done. Big smile

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-07-11 17:01:02 UTC
Kaea Astridsson wrote:
Why is it that whenever someone wants "passive isk" they go for mining?! Why not something truly passive... like PI or Manufacturing.

Because you can PI and manufacture even while you're mining. Mining can be "semi AFK" as the topic says. PI and manufacturing (apart from the click click maintenance) is completely AFK.

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Penn Koskanaiken
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2014-07-11 17:24:33 UTC
What about hauling? Either from public contracts or one of the more organized corps like Pushx or Red Frog. It's pretty passive but you do need ~2.2 B ISK to start.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-07-11 19:36:48 UTC
Hmz, Semi-AFK, mining, multiboxing and retrievers.

I see good target practise for CODE. agents in the making.


OP, stick with Procurer. Beefy tank and expandable.

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Netan MalDoran
Cathedral.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2014-07-11 20:37:27 UTC
As said, heavily tanked Procurer with 5 hobgoblin II (Or I's if u have no skillz), the drones and tank will be fine against highsec rats, hell I've run anoms in these things. Setup a safe just off grid of the belt and warp there and jettison your ore there and when you are done mining, come in with that one Gallente indy that specializes in ore and haul it to station. This makes it much more time efficent since the warp time is reduced drastically (Just remember, jettisoned containers disintegrate in 2 hours, you may want large freight containers for prolonged mining.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#17 - 2014-07-12 18:49:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
To be honest I have no idea how people can really earn anything with AFK mining. I mean so much of time wasted on empty cycles or totally missed moments of rocks popping into oblivion.

I'm juggling orca, hulk and cov with cov being much less skilled then hulk so there is a difference in yield and range and cycle times and I do that very advanced math of calculating how much lazors should go to mine exactly amount of ore left currently in rock and when ore is in cargo I move it to orca and when fleet hangar gets full I move it to ore cargo and when it gets full I move it to normal cargo and when finally orca get full all together I switch cov to miasmos and haul ore from orca to station in two trips meanwhile hulk keeps drilling and adding to orca so when miasmos gets back from second trip it switches back to cov and orca gets full even faster because when miasmos was doing second trip hulk managed to dump a few full cycles so cov needs to switch to miasmos sooner than before and do those 2 trips with hulk brutalizing rocks without any regard to anything...

OMFG, how do you do it AFK???

fake edit: I know, hard to read, right? Mining is too fast to waste time for paragraphs :)

Real edit: And I'm clicking d-scan every 5 seconds because I am so paranoid and I know it is not a matter of 'if' they come but only a matter of 'when' :)

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Gertrude Guntermeiste
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#18 - 2014-07-13 03:55:00 UTC
Thanks for all of the fantastic replies! I've got lots to think about! I think I'll invest some time in manufacturing skills on all three toons. Hopefully when cirrus lands I can find some t1 stuff to build and turn a profit!

As far as traiding goes I'm a bit clueless but I'm going to save up some capital and give it ago!

And mining, I think it's not going to be as efficient as it could be, but if I'd just be floating in space anyway I may as well chew some rocks! And if I'm in brick tanked barges like you guys have advised I think I can keep my losses to a minimum. I had images of having an orca and two hulks in space - but looks like that is just a fantastic way to generate some lossmails!

Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#19 - 2014-07-13 06:27:22 UTC
The in game map has excellent tools for filtering things like exhumers kills in the last x hours. This can be used to avoid places gankers frequent. :)

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#20 - 2014-07-13 17:43:08 UTC
I found Semi-afk ice mining to be the easiest option and still feel like you're doing something in space - and it's very easy to get into. I always mined in a tanked Procurer or Skiff along with a tanked Orca so the small hold didn't bother me. This made it very easy to semi-afk while I was doing work on my other monitor. Consider training one of your characters into an Orca -- it's a useful ship and will lead to lots of leadership skills. Most miners are out in Macks unless it's an area frequented by gankers.

Asteroid belts require a lot more attention because of changing rocks. Also, it's more lonely compared ice mining. Biggest problem with ice mining is if you're in a system that has one of the massive isboxer fleets that suck up all the ice too quickly. You can also get an explorer type ship and look around for ore anomalies in your area which is interesting and quite profitable if you come across one of the Large ones.

I've branched into mostly a manufacturing phase now. It requires a great deal more research and legwork to get things setup, not only in skills but in figuring out what to manufacture profitably, and then researching and inventing blueprints. And then you have to learn how to take everything to a trade hub and get it sold while buying the materials you need for the next batch. After you have everything setup, it's short periods of active time followed by time where you don't need to be logged in while things cook. It's closer to passive income than semi-afk in my mind.

I haven't done PI yet, but I get the impression it's more like manufacturing.

Trading can be semi-afk and has the most profit potential if you like doing it.




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