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Moignus Nakrar
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-07-11 02:24:42 UTC
I don't understand what am I suppost to do to avoid this, but it's getting tedious i'm constantly getting killed and constantly draining isk. I just lost 50 million isk just now after a low sec Hacking run, just my luck the place that had 2 jumps in the last hour no ships destroyed. 10 people come through kill me instantly and I lost it all. I just returned to eve online and I used to do this stuff all the time, I've done oficially 6 exploration to low sec space runs and each time I get killed. I do everything in my willpower to avoid it. I warp in 70km away from the warpgate... I use my directional scanner every 5 seconds. I take paths that have no ships destroyed in the last hour, the least populated. I'm so frustrated from Dying and I know it's gonna happen but when i've lost over 520 million isk I think it's a problem. What can I do to avoid this.

My fit is usually cheap:
Magnate
2 gravity rigs
1 mn micro warp drive
4 warp core stabs
relic/data analyzer
Core probe launcher.. 8 scanner probes
Prototype cloaking device

Pretty much under 3 million isk.

When I die with 50+ million isk loot I get less willing to play anymore. I understand that dying is gonna happen "ALOT" but when it's every time... I'm trying to make some money, but right now i'm draining money.

Is there a better way to make money?
Lun Garemoko
#2 - 2014-07-11 02:28:15 UTC
Definitely need more warpstabs bro.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#3 - 2014-07-11 02:33:50 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:

Is there a better way to make money?

Yes, but let's ignore that bit for a moment.

When you see a neut in local, assume they are trying to kill you. Made that assumption? Good. Now, you are sitting in an easily probed exploration site, what's the next logical step? That's right, leave the easily probed site and cloak up! Preferably at a safe spot. Now you're cloaked and safe. Either wait for them to leave, afk and comeback when they've left, or move to another area with your loot intact.

The key is to pay attention to local.

See? Not that hard.
Moignus Nakrar
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-07-11 02:39:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Moignus Nakrar
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Moignus Nakrar wrote:

Is there a better way to make money?

Yes, but let's ignore that bit for a moment.

When you see a neut in local, assume they are trying to kill you. Made that assumption? Good. Now, you are sitting in an easily probed exploration site, what's the next logical step? That's right, leave the easily probed site and cloak up! Preferably at a safe spot. Now you're cloaked and safe. Either wait for them to leave, afk and comeback when they've left, or move to another area with your loot intact.

The key is to pay attention to local.

See? Not that hard.



I do that. It's usually not people in Local. It's gate camps or a surge of people rushing into the system. Or I'm safe I jump to the next system and bubbles everywhere and 2 people. Even If I micro warpdrive to get out of the bubble I'm locked on scrambled (I have 4 warp stabs) and there able to catch up to me. Now If I get out of the bubble and start to warp I get killed while trying to warp out. I play it so safe in the system. As I said I check my scanner constantly make sure nobody is around me and if they are I warp to a location and see if they follow. If they follow I know there hunting me, if they aren't there probably just passing by. Basically everytime I go into low sec I have a 1%-??% to survive depending on the factors. I try to decrease that by taking safer paths or staying away from places that ships have been destroyed. Like literally just 20 minutes ago, I warped out with one person afk in local, And when I warped out I saw 20 people on the otherside. So INSTANTLY made a b line back to the star system, they followed. (I got lucky I made it threw I think it's because they were setting up bubbles and not paying attention) so now they follow me on the otherside, when I got to the otherside 2 were there. They set up bubbles and I tried to escape but failed..
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#5 - 2014-07-11 02:44:07 UTC
Bubbles, all of a sudden? I thought you said lowsec…
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2014-07-11 02:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Here, for gate camps anyway.

You should practice navigating around in low/null before you try to explore.
Spend that time setting up bookmarks at strategic locations.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Moignus Nakrar
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-07-11 02:45:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Bubbles, all of a sudden? I thought you said lowsec…



Low sec/null sec. 0.4 and below.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#8 - 2014-07-11 02:47:27 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Bubbles, all of a sudden? I thought you said lowsec…



Low sec/null sec. 0.4 and below.


Fly a cov ops if you're going into null. It's basically impossible to die.

Without a cov ops cloak, you need to use the MWD+cloak trick to get out a bubble.

In lowsec itself, you should never be dying except to people who are going all out with remote sebos.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Grog Aftermath
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-07-11 02:47:33 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Bubbles, all of a sudden? I thought you said lowsec…



Bubble's? Wasn't that Michael Jackson's chimp
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
#10 - 2014-07-11 02:53:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Harrison Tato
I have no idea what level your skills are at but I like using an Astero and I relic hunt in Null. Low sec is pretty crappy after the last update. Heck there are empty cans in null now. Use a covert ops cloaking device.

Use wormholes to travel to null. Flying through gatecamps to get to null is not the smart way to go. Find a nice quiet corner somewhere and run relic sites when you are the only player in the system. You can hack cans at 5000 meters and instantly cloak if anyone else comes into the system.

Good luck.
Moignus Nakrar
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-07-11 02:54:53 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Bubbles, all of a sudden? I thought you said lowsec…



Low sec/null sec. 0.4 and below.


Fly a cov ops if you're going into null. It's basically impossible to die.

Without a cov ops cloak, you need to use the MWD+cloak trick to get out a bubble.

In lowsec itself, you should never be dying except to people who are going all out with remote sebos.



See I would, but I can't afford it... I can't afford the ship because I can't get the isk. "Every time I've gone into low and null I die"
I do get like 50 million isk+ in my inventory If I had one successful run I would be golden, but sadly I can't seem to get back to high sec alive.
Moignus Nakrar
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-11 02:55:46 UTC
Harrison Tato wrote:
I have no idea what level your skills are at but I like using an Astero and I relic hunt in Null. Low sec is pretty crappy after the last update. Heck there are empty cans in null now. Use a covert ops cloaking device.

Use wormholes to travel to null. Flying through gatecamps to get to null is not the smart way to go. Find a nice quiet corner somewhere and run relic sites when you are the only player in the system. You can hack cans at 5000 meters and instantly cloak if anyone else comes into the system.

Good luck.


So even if someone is in local I should go and hide?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#13 - 2014-07-11 03:05:37 UTC
If you don't have the isk for a cov ops, then it's time to start from the bottom.

Don't beat your head against it doing it the wrong way, you won't succeed, and you're just throwing good money after bad. See what your assets are and work your way up again.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Kayagainen Iwalula
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-07-11 04:32:31 UTC
Use d-scan while you're hacking the containers as well. I usually stay in system if there's a neut there, but if there's probes of any kind descending on to the site I warp out. This won't stop people that have already had the site bookmarked, or are sitting in site cloaked, from killing you, but it's how I operate in low-sec and I've only died once in a complex. Having a cloak of your own would certainly make a difference as well.

Local and d-scan are two of the most important tools you can use in low-sec. Make use of them whenever you happen to be doing things there.
Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
#15 - 2014-07-11 04:33:43 UTC
loved the game 2 and 3 not so much.

You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear

Because >>I is too hard
TharOkha
0asis Group
#16 - 2014-07-11 05:25:34 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
try to find quiet lowsec first... Regions like Black Rise, or systems like Amamake are pure savage places...

Try southern lowsec regions like derelic and for nullsec, for example Great Wildlands... They are shaity regions but they are more "secure" (but not safe).

Use your map (F10), set your map (kills in last hr) and avoid system with big red bubble on it. Try to find alternate route, even if that would means +10 jumps for you throu lowsec/nullsec.... Remember, mosc gatecamps are on hisec-lowsec or hisec-nullsec gates and in bottleneck routes.

The more you will go deeper to null/low, the more you´ll find that its mostly empty and "secure".

Alternatively, use your covops frig and scan down wormhole which would lead directly to nullsec or lowsec (sometimes you have to cross several wormhole spaces to reach there)

Learn MWD+cloak trick to escape bubbled gatecamps, learn how to warp and insta cloak after you jump to system... You can practice it so precisely that you can escape even remote sensor booster (RESEBO or instalock) gatecamps.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#17 - 2014-07-11 06:27:07 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Harrison Tato wrote:
I have no idea what level your skills are at but I like using an Astero and I relic hunt in Null. Low sec is pretty crappy after the last update. Heck there are empty cans in null now. Use a covert ops cloaking device.

Use wormholes to travel to null. Flying through gatecamps to get to null is not the smart way to go. Find a nice quiet corner somewhere and run relic sites when you are the only player in the system. You can hack cans at 5000 meters and instantly cloak if anyone else comes into the system.

Good luck.


So even if someone is in local I should go and hide?


There is no shame in playing it safe. If you do not know what the other person is doing, you are not as safe as you could be. The guys making lots of ISK with exploration are playing it safe. The guys looking for fights are taking bigger risks to get said fights. Moving through wormholes (via lowsec) is definately the way to go if you want to sneak in undetected. Think of null exploration as a stealth game instead. Solid Snake hides in cardboard boxes, you should not be ashamed to use you cloak.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#18 - 2014-07-11 09:30:41 UTC
Moignus Nakrar wrote:
Is there a better way to make money?

If you are just grinding for ISK, and not having fun doing it, then yes, there is a better way to earn ISK.

Find something you are good at and enjoy.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-07-11 09:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nami Kumamato
[quote=Moignus Nakrar]I don't understand what am I suppost to do to avoid this, but it's getting tedious i'm constantly getting killed and constantly draining isk. I just lost 50 million isk just now after a low sec Hacking run, just my luck the place that had 2 jumps in the last hour no ships destroyed. 10 people come through kill me instantly and I lost it all. I just returned to eve online and I used to do this stuff all the time, I've done oficially 6 exploration to low sec space runs and each time I get killed. I do everything in my willpower to avoid it. I warp in 70km away from the warpgate... I use my directional scanner every 5 seconds. I take paths that have no ships destroyed in the last hour, the least populated. I'm so frustrated from Dying and I know it's gonna happen but when i've lost over 520 million isk I think it's a problem. What can I do to avoid this.

My fit is usually cheap:
Magnate
2 gravity rigs
1 mn micro warp drive
4 warp core stabs
relic/data analyzer
Core probe launcher.. 8 scanner probes
Prototype cloaking device

Pretty much under 3 million isk.

When I die with 50+ million isk loot I get less willing to play anymore. I understand that dying is gonna happen "ALOT" but when it's every time... I'm trying to make some money, but right now i'm draining money.

Is there a better way to make money?[/quote

[Astero] - [Columbia]

[High Slots]
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

[Med Slots]
Data Analyzer II
Cargo Scanner II
Scan Acquisition Array I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

[Low Slots]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

[Rigs]
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Trimark Armor Pump II
Small Anti-Explosive Pump II

11 706 EHP
Cap Stable

Survived ganks and bubble camps.
It's expensive but they can't kill what they can't see and catch...
payed for itself numerous time so far...

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#20 - 2014-07-11 10:48:47 UTC
You nailed something that bugs me about EVE to no end.

Whole area's of EVE, nobody there, nobody there, nobody there. Try and do something and fleets show up like magic. And not just in system. At the site. They can be at a site in 10% of the time it takes you to scan it down.

I don't want to get in to the whole tinfoil hat thing and how people use third party API information but any way you slice it the game is designed in such a way you are pretty much insured failure. I stopped caring ages ago but I've always refused to pretend it doesn't happen.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
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