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Hi Sec Exploration All in One

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Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2014-07-10 03:59:56 UTC
Low SP player, around 1.5 mil specializing in Amarr boats and beginning exploration. I'm looking for suggestions on an all purpose ship and fit capable of 4/10 plexes. Currently am running with a Harbinger, which works great except for the fact that it can't enter 3/10 and is a little slow. My plan is to eventually delve into low/null exploration, so long term suggestions aren't out of the question, but looking for a solid place to start and efficiently earn a little isk in hi sec. Also, cross training to other ships wouldn't be unreasonable as well, if there's a better lineup of ships that can do the job better with low SP than Amarr.

The obvious route to go seems to be T2 cruisers, but will take a little time to get there.

Thanks in advance for suggestions.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-07-10 04:14:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
Vexor is the classic all in one explo boat. I imagine the arbitrator could pull it off too but you don't have as much fitting room. I have seen all in one rupture fits...ikr...

With a mobile depot you can do anything in anything. I would suggest a cruiser though, if you have your heart set on getting into the smaller sites.

Maybe something like this

[Arbitrator, All-in-one]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Relic Analyzer I

Core Probe Launcher I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I

Those rigs may not be necessary in high sec... in fact it may be way overtanked for high sec pve... I don't know. But you get the picture. Play around with it in eft until you can fit the stuff you need and carry a mobile depot to swap out fits where necessary.
Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-07-10 05:01:08 UTC
Vexor does seem like an excellent choice. It would be a great stepping stone towards an Ishtar, which I imagine is an excellent exploration ship as well.

I've also read very good things about a Curse, which I could alternatively begin in an arby and go from there.

Also, is the Sacrilege a viable choice? Seems it has a great tank and damage capabilities.
Shitavius
#4 - 2014-07-10 06:05:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Shitavius
Short term: anything with drones and a probe launcher
Long term: Ishtar, Stratios, or T3

As mentioned, learn the mobile depot, love the mobile depot. It is CCP's greatest gift to us in ages.

To answer your second questions: Do not bother with the curse or sac for exploration unless it's for sheer rp novelty. Anyone who talked those ships up to you is an idiot.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-07-10 06:35:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
Vexor, Poor man's AFKtar]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Medium C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I

Improved Cloaking Device II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinfor

Plenty of fitting room left for a probe launcher...train into an ishtar...
I'm still 2 weeks out from t2 amarr cruisers so I couldn't speak to them
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#6 - 2014-07-10 08:53:28 UTC
gila is a good alternative to ishtar.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Talia Valta
ValtaTeleVisuals
#7 - 2014-07-10 11:09:41 UTC
Vexor is a good place to start but.... it doesn't have any bonuses to scanning/hacking.

It all depends on what your looking for?

Are you looking for the Combat sites, or are you looking for Relic and data sites?

Combat sites will be done quite quickly in hi sec as everyone will be looking for them.

The same goes for Relic and Data sites, but there are some out there to find.

I would say head to null sec, but that's just me thinking of the 160 million ISK I made from three Relic sites.

I would include running the combat anoms as well, these have a chance to escalate and lead you all over hi sec, and into low sec (Be very Careful), but can reward you with some good loot.

I got a low grade snake implant from a frigate wreck on an escalation and that was worth about 40 million ISK.

As always, only fly what you can afford to loose!!

Fly safe.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-07-10 11:17:10 UTC
[Stratios, Exploration]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Centum C-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Corpum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Cargo Scanner II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II

Bouncer II x4
Garde II x4
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x2
Salvage Drone I x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x1

This is what i used when i was in high sec for a while, no boundries, no fit changes.

For 4/10's warp in, pull range, drop sentries, blap fastest rats first as they come towards you.

For a low skill point pilot, fitting becomes esier with meta 4 guns, t1 scanners etc but is still a pretty forgiving ship

No Worries

Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-07-10 12:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Paserak Virtus
Talia Valta wrote:
Vexor is a good place to start but.... it doesn't have any bonuses to scanning/hacking.

It all depends on what your looking for?

Are you looking for the Combat sites, or are you looking for Relic and data sites?

Combat sites will be done quite quickly in hi sec as everyone will be looking for them.

The same goes for Relic and Data sites, but there are some out there to find.

I would say head to null sec, but that's just me thinking of the 160 million ISK I made from three Relic sites.

I would include running the combat anoms as well, these have a chance to escalate and lead you all over hi sec, and into low sec (Be very Careful), but can reward you with some good loot.

I got a low grade snake implant from a frigate wreck on an escalation and that was worth about 40 million ISK.

As always, only fly what you can afford to loose!!

Fly safe.


While i enjoy the relic and data sites, it hasn't seemed incredibly profitable so far. Hi sec i prolly average 10-20m isk an hour. I got ballsy and threw a cloaking device on a Magnate and did about a dozen Low sec sites. Maybe it was just bad luck, but it wasn't any more profitable than the hi sec sites. Maybe null is where its at.

Combat anoms and plexes have been great for me so far. Already found several type A modules that are decent isk for a newer player. That's kinda why im looking for a good all in one. I'd like to focus primarily on anoms and combat sites, but dont want to pass up relic and data sites that I scan down in a system.
Talia Valta
ValtaTeleVisuals
#10 - 2014-07-10 13:42:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Talia Valta
Now here's the thing.

Do you train for a Gila, with its huge drone bonus, an Ishtar with good shield resistances, or a Stratios with an excellent probing role?

There is also the Cerberus which is apparently quite good for DED's and anoms.

In the end it's your choice of what you fly, and you might be better off with something designed for what your looking for.

I'm not sure but I think the Gnosis is also a good choice and is capable of multiple bonuses.

Fly safe.

P.S. Yes Null is where it's all at.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#11 - 2014-07-10 19:44:50 UTC
Paserak Virtus wrote:

Also, is the Sacrilege a viable choice? Seems it has a great tank and damage capabilities.


I've used the Sacrilege when running sites in Minmatar space. It works well there. Overall you'd probably be best off training Gallente cruiser and using the Stratios until you can use the Ishtar.
Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2014-07-10 21:51:45 UTC
As far as t3 goes, is the tengu the only real choice, or do all the strategic cruisers perform well?
JAF Anders
Adenosine Inhibition
#13 - 2014-07-10 22:11:48 UTC
You can get a lot of use out of the other Strategic Cruisers as well. Nerfs to the Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile platforms brought them back in line with the rest. Medium Railguns received a well-needed buff to the same effect.

The pursuit of excellence and stabbed plexing alts.

Paserak Virtus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-07-10 22:22:29 UTC
JAF Anders wrote:
You can get a lot of use out of the other Strategic Cruisers as well. Nerfs to the Heavy Missile and Heavy Assault Missile platforms brought them back in line with the rest. Medium Railguns received a well-needed buff to the same effect.


For boats without a turret bonus, is railgun the preferred platform? Or are artys and ac's performing well?
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-07-10 22:24:40 UTC
Talia Valta wrote:
I would say head to null sec, but that's just me thinking of the 160 million ISK I made from three Relic sites.


Nullsec sites need V skills to not explode half the cans. 80/20 requires a lot of luck.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#16 - 2014-07-11 11:42:17 UTC
As others have mentioned, droneboats are generally the best way to go about with an all-in-one exploration boat, with the Ishtar being the best option (IMO). If you're low skilled and skilled into Amarr, start with an Arbitrator, then focus on training Gallente Cruiser, once you have it at IV you can switch to a Vexor Navy Issue. Start training for good heavy/sentry drone skills and eventually get Gallente Cruiser V and go with an Ishtar.
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#17 - 2014-07-11 16:51:28 UTC
I had excellent experiance on high sec all-in-one ship while using Vexor-Navy-Issue.
I guess you could use vexor as well.

if you only fly amarr try an arbitrator.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#18 - 2014-07-11 20:26:34 UTC
Stratios. And don't be afraid to pimp it out a bit, it really pays off.

As a low SP player I used one to great effect and fitted some of the nice stuff I'd find in the DED sites. Because my fitting skills were pretty horrible I just put a smokescreen cloak on it and an expanded probe launcher. I could run data and relic sites in low really easily, and if I saw something that looked baity on D-scan I'd launch some combat probes to chase him off. Combat sites in low didn't work well as a low SP player. They took too long and you can't always get the warp scrambling frigs off of you in time. (If you want an example, go look at my killboard. You'll also find my fitting there. Any seasoned player will tell you it's awful, but it works great for a low SP player)

After all of the money I spent on the ship, it still earned me over 3 billion in a couple months. A pretty decent haul for a noob doing high sec exploration.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-07-11 20:46:33 UTC
If you go for the stratios then don't fit an expanded probe launcher on it, like the guy above me suggested. That is the reason he had fitting problem. CCP made it nearly impossible to put an expanded probe launcher on the SOE ships because it would've made them too powerful as pvp ships. The simple fact of it is that you can make a great fit on the stratios or put an expaned probe launcher on there with a crap fit.
Bohneik Itohn
10.K
#20 - 2014-07-12 00:50:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Bohneik Itohn
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
If you go for the stratios then don't fit an expanded probe launcher on it, like the guy above me suggested. That is the reason he had fitting problem. CCP made it nearly impossible to put an expanded probe launcher on the SOE ships because it would've made them too powerful as pvp ships. The simple fact of it is that you can make a great fit on the stratios or put an expaned probe launcher on there with a crap fit.



Not something a low SP player is going to be doing in a 300 mil hull. And please note that the expanded probe launcher is on there specifically to deter PvP, and never failed to chase off an uncloaked ship. I should have noted that the expanded launcher is only useful for low sec though, so thank you for saying something. A regular launcher will save him some time launching a mobile depot in high sec.

Core launcher or expanded launcher, 1.5 mil SP doesn't give enough room to fit a Stratios in anything but nonsense. That's okay though, because you don't need anything spectacular for high sec.

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