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How do you all feel about a change to Eve's physics model?
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-07-09 07:48:03 UTC
Posting in a not-stealth "EVE ships are submarines" thread.

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-07-09 09:39:12 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
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EVE's physics engine is based on a 'fluid dynamics model' which assumes that 'space' has some substance to it and thus some friction, this means that with the ship engine turned off you will decelerate, ultimately to a standstill. -wiki


How about a more RL model of space?

What would it help? What would it break? And how difficult would it be to implement?

Personally I would like to fly my spaceship in "space" and not in invisible water.

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Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-07-09 09:45:45 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Quote:
EVE's physics engine is based on a 'fluid dynamics model' which assumes that 'space' has some substance to it and thus some friction, this means that with the ship engine turned off you will decelerate, ultimately to a standstill. -wiki




Why do people always assume that?
Can't you really accept that in order to stop your ship your navigation computer gradually reduces engine thrust while compensating with deceleration nozzles/thrusters (just like ye olde Shuttle)?
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Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2014-07-09 10:07:31 UTC
Concord suddenly shows up and destroys your 12bn isk missioning Marauder.

You think OMG WTF and Petition CCP.

GM looks at the logs, and approx 1.5 years earlier, whilst in NULL shooting at some grrr goons, you 'missed' with one of your auto cannons..

...the shells took approx 1.5 years to travel through the eve universe, and somehow hit someones bestower in Jita at the same time you were in Tash-Murkon running a level 4 with you super pimp marauder.

Concord sees this as an act of aggression, radios in your whereabouts, and promptly retaliates.
Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-07-09 10:13:42 UTC
Garresh wrote:
Lothros Andastar wrote:
I think people should be barred from playing the game until they pass an exam on the Lore of the game.

THERE IS A BLOODY REASON WHY THE PHYSICS ARE LIKE THEY ARE. Go read up on the backstory of the game, then come back and apologise for this stupid post that seems to pop up every week.

If you don't like this game, go play something else.


And that reason is...?

Warp drives cause a kind of disturbance of SpaceTime, even when not actively warping the ship. While this can be prevented by shutting down the warp drove entirely, the amount of energy and time needed to do so is not feasible even for the smallest ships to do outside of a station environment.

Warp enabled travel is quite frankly superior to non-warp enabled travel, so it's an acceptable trade off.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#26 - 2014-07-09 10:20:15 UTC
I'd feel better about it if you were using the right forum

granted, it'd still be a "no' ... but at least you'd be posting it in the right place.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2014-07-09 11:01:34 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
I think people should be barred from playing the game until they pass an exam on the Lore of the game.

THERE IS A BLOODY REASON WHY THE PHYSICS ARE LIKE THEY ARE. Go read up on the backstory of the game, then come back and apologise for this stupid post that seems to pop up every week.

If you don't like this game, go play something else.


Lore is based on game mechanics, not the other way around.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#28 - 2014-07-09 11:16:56 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
12bn isk missioning Marauder.


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Nahasaki
Warpspeed Shipping Inc.
#29 - 2014-07-09 11:27:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Nahasaki
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Quote:
EVE's physics engine is based on a 'fluid dynamics model' which assumes that 'space' has some substance to it and thus some friction, this means that with the ship engine turned off you will decelerate, ultimately to a standstill. -wiki


How about a more RL model of space?

What would it help? What would it break? And how difficult would it be to implement?

Personally I would like to fly my spaceship in "space" and not in invisible water.



I highly recommend getting Kerbal Space Program for playing with spaceships under reasonably realistic physics simulations.
Its a lot of fun and surprisingly educational too.

While I could see some mix of EVE gameplay and KSP level of physics being enjoyable I'm pretty sure it would only work if you design the entire game around that concept right from the start.
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-07-09 11:51:00 UTC
Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:
Fire a volley of 8x 1400mm Howitzers in real physics environment and see what happens Lol


Something like this?
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#31 - 2014-07-09 12:22:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
It would either change nothing (your navigation computer would make the ship behave the same, it would just look different in exactly when the engines fire and in what direction)

This. You tell your ship to stop and it stopps. There is no reason to believe that a futuristic spaceship couldn't automatically countersteer to halt your ships movement completly.

The only benefit something like this could have is saving fuel if you could just stop your engines without telling your ship to automatically stand still. But there is no fuel needed und thus this wouldn't change anything.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#32 - 2014-07-09 12:42:05 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
I think people should be barred from playing the game until they pass an exam on the Lore of the game.

THERE IS A BLOODY REASON WHY THE PHYSICS ARE LIKE THEY ARE. Go read up on the backstory of the game, then come back and apologise for this stupid post that seems to pop up every week.

If you don't like this game, go play something else.


Who pissed in your Cheerios?

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Grobalobobob Bob
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-07-09 13:10:36 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
12bn isk missioning Marauder.


Wachlisted, More out of hope than anything Blink


Meanie! Twisted
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#34 - 2014-07-09 14:28:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Belt Scout
Ka'Narlist wrote:
Tippia wrote:
It would either change nothing (your navigation computer would make the ship behave the same, it would just look different in exactly when the engines fire and in what direction)

This. You tell your ship to stop and it stopps. There is no reason to believe that a futuristic spaceship couldn't automatically countersteer to halt your ships movement completly.

The only benefit something like this could have is saving fuel if you could just stop your engines without telling your ship to automatically stand still. But there is no fuel needed und thus this wouldn't change anything.



Now there's an idea. All ships should need to fuel up. We could set up gas stations everywhere and fight over the good spots. All the raw fuel would come from some 'desert' planet controlled by a faction that lives 1000 years in the past. After that, the market players could totally ratfuk the price per barrel so it costs an arm and a leg. (Black market for frozen corpses?)

Throw in some free clone health care for the unemployable leeches, and ban all 'assault' ship modules. While we're going for realism, remove all the gate guns between hi and low sec, but put up long fences that will be patrolled by concord, who will fail at the task of preventing pirate border crossings.

How about flooding the giant TV's with space reality shows, and biased news broadcasts.

Any other ideas to make a game more real?

Anyone??

Ugh

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.
MHayes
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-07-09 14:47:24 UTC
Space does have substance to it and eventually you would come to a stand still. No where near as much as in Eve though.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#36 - 2014-07-09 14:53:54 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
12bn isk missioning Marauder.


Wachlisted, More out of hope than anything Blink


Meanie! Twisted

Confirming I'm a big scary meanie face.
Wildly inept grantedBlink.

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Tixx Enaka
I Like Raccoons
#37 - 2014-07-09 14:58:03 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Quote:
EVE's physics engine is based on a 'fluid dynamics model' which assumes that 'space' has some substance to it and thus some friction, this means that with the ship engine turned off you will decelerate, ultimately to a standstill. -wiki


How about a more RL model of space?

What would it help? What would it break? And how difficult would it be to implement?

Personally I would like to fly my spaceship in "space" and not in invisible water.


Poorly thought out question.
Erin Crawford
#38 - 2014-07-09 15:04:50 UTC
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
Concord suddenly shows up and destroys your 12bn isk missioning Marauder.

You think OMG WTF and Petition CCP.

GM looks at the logs, and approx 1.5 years earlier, whilst in NULL shooting at some grrr goons, you 'missed' with one of your auto cannons..

...the shells took approx 1.5 years to travel through the eve universe, and somehow hit someones bestower in Jita at the same time you were in Tash-Murkon running a level 4 with you super pimp marauder.

Concord sees this as an act of aggression, radios in your whereabouts, and promptly retaliates.



Douglas Adams much? Lol

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Christina Project
Screaming Head in a Box.
#39 - 2014-07-09 15:07:43 UTC
Erin Crawford wrote:
Grobalobobob Bob wrote:
Concord suddenly shows up and destroys your 12bn isk missioning Marauder.

You think OMG WTF and Petition CCP.

GM looks at the logs, and approx 1.5 years earlier, whilst in NULL shooting at some grrr goons, you 'missed' with one of your auto cannons..

...the shells took approx 1.5 years to travel through the eve universe, and somehow hit someones bestower in Jita at the same time you were in Tash-Murkon running a level 4 with you super pimp marauder.

Concord sees this as an act of aggression, radios in your whereabouts, and promptly retaliates.



Douglas Adams much? Lol

Nice new pic! :D

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Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#40 - 2014-07-09 15:17:52 UTC
no

you can pry my space boat from my cold dead hands.
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