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[news] Federal Government announces handover of Arcurio

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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
#101 - 2014-07-04 19:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Jandice Ymladris
Dex Nederland wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
The handover of Arcurio to Ishukone administration was officially concluded yesterday afternoon.

Fixed that for you.

For the rest of the cluster, Federation or those aligned with Ishukone, there is not a difference between Caldari and Ishukone. For some of us, the difference between Ishukone and the Federation is minor.


That's kind of harsh, as Ishukone is still part of the ruling 8 megacorporations that make up the Chief Executive Panel. Which means that by that definition, Arcurio is now under State control, administrated by Ishukone.
Part of your point is valid however, as each megacorporation has their own flavour & culture, so making the comparision that Ishukone is the Caldari State is indeed an error.

However, I do believe you mean well, and are wondering at the price Ishukone has to pay, as that hasn't been unveiled so far. While they undoubtly carry over a large part of the cleaning & salvaging costs to Ishukone, due to Arcurio's location compared to the Shiigeru crash site, there's surely other things traded as well, as Material Acquisitions now handed over the 3 largest cities to Ishukone.
However, they can't just trade State assets, just their own, so that should eliminate accusations of treachery as a megacorp can trade away their own assets as they see fit.

I also published a summary of this handover, bundling earlier relevant reports to this into one:
Federation hands over historical Caldari capital to the State

Providing a new home for refugees in the Aurora Arcology

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#102 - 2014-07-04 22:03:47 UTC
Ma’dame Lagann makes a fair point.

While a good bit more magnanimity may be at play on the Federal side than you suspect, now that the offending Titan has been removed.

Yes, Ishukone is a State organization, but the insular nature of the various Mega’s has to be considered.

Becoming the bridge between two such dynamic markets would be….

Profitable.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#103 - 2014-07-05 02:48:49 UTC
I kept trying to make that point, James.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#104 - 2014-07-05 07:27:00 UTC
But you are severely Civire.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#105 - 2014-07-05 08:16:16 UTC
Civirely.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#106 - 2014-07-05 08:23:46 UTC
This is why. THIS IS WHY!!
And grow a beard.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#107 - 2014-07-05 11:21:29 UTC
Hevaima Gesakaarin wrote:
Ollie Rundle wrote:

To make a profit from a deal you actually need something to gain leverage with. How will the State, the Federation or any other human-administered faction one cares to name bargain with an entity that fields several thousand pilots or soldiers that are effectively immortal, that are independently wealthy beyond the dreams of most non-capsuleers, that subsequently have no fear of death, no fear of sanction, no need to bend a knee and seek only to take by force what isn't yet theirs?


I might point out that the independent wealth of capsuleers remains counted only in the digital fiat of the ISK which remains controlled by CONCORD through the SCC. Capsuleers might not fear death or sanction but would they also be as unafraid of having their personal accounts wiped clean by CONCORD while its signatories currency swap their own reserves of ISK to a new standard?

Sanctions of CONCORD can be up to preventing any of capsuleers from using NeoCom and capsule interface at all, denying any cloning facilities.

As for those, who value their wallets more than their lives, I heard stories from capsuleers, who, for their financial machinations, got not just wiped clean wallets, but were issued negative sum of ISK on their personal accounts.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#108 - 2014-07-05 11:29:17 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Dex Nederland wrote:
Morwen Lagann wrote:
The handover of Arcurio to Ishukone administration was officially concluded yesterday afternoon.

Fixed that for you.

For the rest of the cluster, Federation or those aligned with Ishukone, there is not a difference between Caldari and Ishukone. For some of us, the difference between Ishukone and the Federation is minor.


Well, that's a LITTLE harsh, Nederland-haan. Liberal or not, they're still one of the Okusaiiken Deksam.

Liberality is not a crime. It is just politics.
But the treason is a crime, and no political view can justify it.

It doesn't matter, whether you love your enemy or not, whether you want peace or war, to deal with only Caldari or everyone outside. But when you make separate peace with the enemy while the war still rages on, you are a traitor.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#109 - 2014-07-05 13:27:20 UTC
No. You are a bridge builder. A diplomat. A peacemaker. A hundred different things. Traitor is not among them, when you do it for your own people and State. More has been done in the name of finishing this war now by the Ishukone administration than by any other entity in the State to date.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#110 - 2014-07-05 13:48:26 UTC
Some of you wonder why I don't bother with most people lately.

The lack of basic reading comprehension combined with the tendency to kneejerk so hard one could shatter armor plating over the littlest things is a pretty big factor.

To wit:

Those people coiling themselves into a hissy fit over "my" wording would do well to actually read the article in question, particularly the first sentence, and take note that it was not my wording in the first place:
Quote:
The Chief Executives of Ishukone and Material Acquisition placed their signatures on an agreement that concluded the formal handover of the City of Arcurio to Caldari Administration this afternoon.

Last time I checked, I was neither an editor nor a proofreader for either Echelon or the Scope. Instead, I merely thought to bring an update of the situation to people's attention since apparently it had gone for several days without being noticed and I felt it was an update people would want to be aware of.

You're welcome.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Anslo
Scope Works
#111 - 2014-07-06 13:23:47 UTC
You seem upset, friend. Why must you be mad?

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#112 - 2014-07-06 18:59:57 UTC
Because idiots, Anslo.

Because idiots.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#113 - 2014-07-06 22:05:02 UTC
Ok so this latest development is an improvement, that's certain.

Why are capsuleers in lowsec killing each for control of an outlying system when the core Caldari origin world is being shared peacefully like this?

Maybe there is war profiteering afoot, and the capsuleers are playing the suckers in all this?

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
#114 - 2014-07-06 22:19:39 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Maybe there is war profiteering afoot, and the capsuleers are playing the suckers in all this?

You shut your mouth! You shut it right now and stay the hell out of my profit margins!

Some people, eesh.

Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.

Morgan Wulver
SAYR Reserve Guard
SAYR Galactic
#115 - 2014-07-07 00:25:03 UTC
I must admit, I am deeply conflicted on this handover. On one hand I feel as though I can no longer serve the Protectorate with the knowledge that I would be fighting a cold war with an enemy that actively seeks peace through diplomacy. On the other hand I'm troubled about the exact intentions of this handover.

I suppose only time will tell if this is some sort of setup for future Federation hostilities, a power play on the part of Ishukone to consolidate power in the State, or a legitimate act of goodwill between our nations. All would no doubt be interesting, though I suspect some are far more likely than others.

Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#116 - 2014-07-07 01:46:40 UTC
Morgan Wulver wrote:
I must admit, I am deeply conflicted on this handover. On one hand I feel as though I can no longer serve the Protectorate with the knowledge that I would be fighting a cold war with an enemy that actively seeks peace through diplomacy. On the other hand I'm troubled about the exact intentions of this handover.

I suppose only time will tell if this is some sort of setup for future Federation hostilities, a power play on the part of Ishukone to consolidate power in the State, or a legitimate act of goodwill between our nations. All would no doubt be interesting, though I suspect some are far more likely than others.

Don't tell me you would believe their peaceful intentions!
They are GALLENTEANS!
They would try to just lull your vigilance and stab you to your back with knife.
Just like they attacked our CN Shiigeru and our Caldari Prime after they signed treaty that they pass it to us.

There is only one condition for real peace:
The Federation must be destroyed!

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2014-07-07 06:17:47 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Ok so this latest development is an improvement, that's certain.

Why are capsuleers in lowsec killing each for control of an outlying system when the core Caldari origin world is being shared peacefully like this?

Maybe there is war profiteering afoot, and the capsuleers are playing the suckers in all this?


Or maybe lowsec is just a place for the nations to put their capsuleers in so they can indulge in their scoundrelry out of sight of the well-mannered folks out in highsec. They are paying us to keep us there.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Anslo
Scope Works
#118 - 2014-07-07 14:34:00 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Because idiots, Anslo.

Because idiots.



THERE IS NO NEED TO BE UPSET.

NO ANGER.

ONLY DREAMS.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
The Fourth District
#119 - 2014-07-09 02:51:33 UTC
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Some of you wonder why I don't bother with most people lately.

The lack of basic reading comprehension combined with the tendency to kneejerk so hard one could shatter armor plating over the littlest things is a pretty big factor.

To wit:

Those people coiling themselves into a hissy fit over "my" wording would do well to actually read the article in question, particularly the first sentence, and take note that it was not my wording in the first place:
Quote:
The Chief Executives of Ishukone and Material Acquisition placed their signatures on an agreement that concluded the formal handover of the City of Arcurio to Caldari Administration this afternoon.

Last time I checked, I was neither an editor nor a proofreader for either Echelon or the Scope. Instead, I merely thought to bring an update of the situation to people's attention since apparently it had gone for several days without being noticed and I felt it was an update people would want to be aware of.

You're welcome.

Perhaps you should heed your own advice and continue reading the article beyond the first sentence before writing a summary.

Quote:
The agreement specifies that the city, which is still regarded as the historical and cultural capital of the Caldari State, is now formally placed under Ishukone administration with Mordu's Legion Command continuing to provide global security and policing for the planet.

And to quote the previous article and Ishukone's representative.

Quote:
When questioned regarding the involvement of other Caldari megacorporations in the administration of Caldari Prime, Ishukone responded, “we are aware that several other megacorporations within the State have differences of opinion with regard to how administration should be handled.”

For some of us, especially those with roots in the other megacorporations, the difference between Caldari and any individual megacorporation matters. To me it was worth pointing out the difference exists.