Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The Dev Blog in question is linked here in full, but I'm going to quote the relevant part.


Emphasis mine.

Why not tie the bonuses the rigs provide to the skills, as well as reducing the (sometimes non-existant) penalties?

Imagine the Medium Core Defence Field Extender II, having a base increase of 10% shields in exchange for 10% Signature Radius. Then the Shield Rigging skill provides a 20% increase to the bonus (so 2% more shields) and a 10% decrease to the penalty (so 1% less penalty) per level.

You can still fit the rigs with no skills, and they still give you half of their full bonuses with no training, but the people who have trained rigging skills get some real tangible benefit.

Only gripe would be that most players would end up getting less benefit from their rigs.

T2 rigs typically only require a rank IV skill to use. Training the skill to rank V for a 1% decrease to the penalty of the rig is a very low priority for most people. So a LOT of people would end up taking a 2% penalty to the bonus of their T2 rigs that they've been trained to use at that capacity for quite some time now.

If this were to happen, I'd propose that rigging skills get reduced in multiplier to further encourage people to train them fully earlier on. I feel that either there has to be a larger incentive to push the player to prioritize rank V, or else the amount of SP required for rank V shouldn't be quite as steep as it is.

Same line of reasoning that went behind the rebalance of Drone interfacing, which I believe most agree was a good change.

Edit: Err, actually, reversed. Drone interfacing provided too much of a benefit for newer players to avoid training it, whereas this change would provide too little of a benefit to justify training it. It should be comparable to the benefit of other skills with the same training time.

Well, aren't in the end all 'kind of' must have 5 ? Especially with multiple rigs with the same penalty getting the full reduction seems very striving.

And in my observation and opinion, rigging skills already have the lowest multipliers overall.

Hmn, couldn't read any bitterness into this. I rather think that some skills could be a bit more beneficial, I like the feeling of success after spending some effort on it.

And contrary to some opinions, that you have the ability either to punish some or reward the others, is a matter of impossibility, one will always be perceived as the other by the opposition, no matter what. What you are left with are two ways of inducing change, it will change nothing in regards to perception in itself, just who will be on one side or the other, which is inconsequential to the issue itself. The fix of the issue is either right or wrong, appropriate or not, beneficial or not - to the concept, not to the player perceiving it.

I rather promote the reward after an investment and do not see the non results of non-investment as punishment.

That said, I like the proposed rewards and would not feel punished by its change and not having trained it, but of course that would be my opinion.

There will still be an extreme lack of benefit to training them to V if all that changes is 3%, split in two different areas, over 1%.

Rig skills are 'useless' in terms of fitting, given a friend can rig the ship for you and you can fly it anyway. The only thing they've ever been good for is reducing maluses.

The Crius change is abolishing a stupid inconvenience that won't change people flying with/without rigs in any substantial way.

I'm all for rigs needing some love, but linking that to the Crius change is silly.