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Moon Survey on taken moon?
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Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#1 - 2014-07-07 13:58:58 UTC
is there a way to survey a moon that already has a POS and some defences?
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#2 - 2014-07-07 14:50:56 UTC
Do it fast Blink

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#3 - 2014-07-07 15:01:11 UTC
LOL. I thought that maybe a trick somehow... Dunno... Something... Can I launch a probe from far away somehow?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-07-07 19:15:03 UTC
You don't have to be on grid with the POS to launch a probe.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#5 - 2014-07-07 20:45:50 UTC
Cluellix wrote:
is there a way to survey a moon that already has a POS and some defences?


Yes.
Josclyn Verreuil
Dark 0rder.
#6 - 2014-07-08 01:32:40 UTC
Launch probe, then recloak.
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#7 - 2014-07-08 11:14:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Cluellix
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You don't have to be on grid with the POS to launch a probe.


Great idea, thank you. However this got me a new prooblem...

Discovery Probe I
max velocity: 3.000 m/s and max flight time is 300 s

that would give me 900 km, but usually the warping to zero, moons are aprox. 5.000 km away. So how this work? How come probe reaches moon but only have a max range of 900 km? I ask this because that would give me an idea of Quest Probe max range...

Quest Probe I
max velocity: 3.000 m/s and max flight time 1.200 ss
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#8 - 2014-07-08 11:16:29 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
Cluellix wrote:
is there a way to survey a moon that already has a POS and some defences?


Yes.


no offence but what is the point of your reply without sharing it? Just because I asked if there is a way, does not mean I just wanted to know if there is one, of course I want to know how...
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#9 - 2014-07-08 11:18:35 UTC
Josclyn Verreuil wrote:
Launch probe, then recloak.


My ship can recloak in 5 s, but I am not sure if it is enough not to be targeted by POS defences so able to recloak. And surely did not wanted to risk and try... so would you be able to tell us the locking times and if you are able to recloak in 10 s?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#10 - 2014-07-08 17:16:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Cluellix wrote:
Josclyn Verreuil wrote:
Launch probe, then recloak.


My ship can recloak in 5 s, but I am not sure if it is enough not to be targeted by POS defences so able to recloak. And surely did not wanted to risk and try... so would you be able to tell us the locking times and if you are able to recloak in 10 s?

It takes roughly 6.2 seconds for the fastest locking modules (small true sansha pulse/beam laser = 300mm) to lock a frigate (50m). More typical is around 10 seconds.

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/File:TargettingEquation.png

Larger turrets take even longer to lock.

EWAR like warp disruptors, webs, and neuts, take around a minute to lock a frigate.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#11 - 2014-07-08 17:38:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Cluellix wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You don't have to be on grid with the POS to launch a probe.


Great idea, thank you. However this got me a new prooblem...

Discovery Probe I
max velocity: 3.000 m/s and max flight time is 300 s

that would give me 900 km, but usually the warping to zero, moons are aprox. 5.000 km away. So how this work? How come probe reaches moon but only have a max range of 900 km? I ask this because that would give me an idea of Quest Probe max range...

Quest Probe I
max velocity: 3.000 m/s and max flight time 1.200 ss

You don't have to land on the surface to scan.

Probes have a 1 au scan range.

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=18635
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#12 - 2014-07-08 19:16:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Cluellix
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Cluellix wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
You don't have to be on grid with the POS to launch a probe.


Great idea, thank you. However this got me a new prooblem...

Discovery Probe I
max velocity: 3.000 m/s and max flight time is 300 s

that would give me 900 km, but usually the warping to zero, moons are aprox. 5.000 km away. So how this work? How come probe reaches moon but only have a max range of 900 km? I ask this because that would give me an idea of Quest Probe max range...

Quest Probe I
max velocity: 3.000 m/s and max flight time 1.200 ss

You don't have to land on the surface to scan.

Probes have a 1 au scan range.

http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/item.php?type_id=18635


Quote from there:

"The moon survey probe is launched in the direction of a nearby moon where it will eventually land and broadcast back atmospheric and soil analysis data."

This is so confusing...

So if they have 1AU scan range... why you need to shoot them directly to the moon, if you miss the moon, then probe fails.... Moreover above says, it WILL land...
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#13 - 2014-07-08 19:28:00 UTC
Also how large is a tower grid? Seem more than 300 km...
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2014-07-08 19:51:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Cluellix wrote:
Also how large is a tower grid? Seem more than 300 km...

They are variable (can shrink and grow) but 300 km around the tower ("grids" are actually spherical) is a reasonable estimate.

Basically keep moving away from the tower until it is no longer on the overview.

You can also warp to planets / pocos / other moons that are within 1 au of the desired moon.
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#15 - 2014-07-08 21:27:18 UTC
So with Discovery I could get results from 400.000 km, but not from a bit over 1.000.000 km...
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#16 - 2014-07-09 00:36:54 UTC
whoa, this is really easy... thanks!
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#17 - 2014-07-09 06:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
For what it is worth:

Marlona Sky - All Fountain Moon Minerals Mapped and Public

Marlona Sky - Fountain War Moons: Pulling Back the Curtain

Known to be inaccurate and incomplete (especially for valuable moons)
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/region/moons
You can click on a region for more detailed info.
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#18 - 2014-07-09 12:37:06 UTC
Yeah, I know those, but after probing 3 systems (156 moons) they are pretty much useless. They are simply innacurate and contain false statements. So I wont look over those ever again.
Princess Honneamise
#19 - 2014-07-09 12:43:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Honneamise
for some more info on db :
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=354560

EVE MOONS PROJECT

http://eve-moons.com

The EVE MOONS PROJECT is the most complete and accurate moons database for Eve Online
Cluellix
Cluelix
Wrecktical Supremacy.
#20 - 2014-07-09 14:32:47 UTC
I guess the link is wrong...
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