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Lilith Shea
Multiplex Gaming
Tactical Narcotics Team
#1 - 2014-07-07 16:07:35 UTC
Ok so I don't know why but I can't figure this out... too early for me still i guess What? I'm sure its been said a million times already, but I'm at work and can't research too much......

After patch, outposts in null will get refining buffed, Minmatar up to a possible 60%. What about an intense refining array? Those are at 54% (according to the screenshot ccp provided) but can that be further increased with the 4% implant? If so then a player outpost will still be superior to anything else (provided it is upgraded to at least level 2)

POS Refining Array - 52% (56% with implant)
POS Intensive Refining Array - 54% (58% with implant)
Amarr, Caldari, Gallente Outpost - 50% upgradeable to 57% (61% with implant)
Minmatar Outpost - 50% upgradeable to 60% (64% with implant)

Is this correct?
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#2 - 2014-07-07 16:23:06 UTC
iirc the 4% bonus is relative so let's say you got possible 100 units of minerals...

54% due to the array and then 4% from the implant is 4% of the remaining 46 units left and not of the total 100 units.
Lilith Shea
Multiplex Gaming
Tactical Narcotics Team
#3 - 2014-07-07 16:49:00 UTC
Nalelmir Ahashion wrote:
iirc the 4% bonus is relative so let's say you got possible 100 units of minerals...

54% due to the array and then 4% from the implant is 4% of the remaining 46 units left and not of the total 100 units.



So then if that's correct arranged from best to worst:

Minmitar Outpost if it at least level 2 refining
Amarr/Gallente/Caldari Outpost if level 3 refining
Amarr/Gallente/Caldari Outpost if level 2 (cheaper than running a POS for refining)
Intensive Refining Array in POS
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#4 - 2014-07-07 17:05:04 UTC
The math is pretty simple:

multiplier from the facility (0.5 for highsec, 0.52 for refining array, 0.54 for intensive, 0.6 for fully upgraded minnie outpost)
multipliers from skills.
multiplier from implants.

They don't add together (the levels from skills do. but them multiply). They multiply.

Max is:

facility x 1.15 x 1.1 x 1.1 x 1.04


So a 4% implant doesn't give you 54%. It gives you 52% (but that extra 2% is 4% more minerals than you'd have had without it)

Woo! CSM XI!

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#5 - 2014-07-07 17:29:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Facilities
NPC Stations & Outposts: 50%

Reprocessing Array: 52%
NPC Stations & Outposts + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 52%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade: 52%

Intensive Reprocessing Array: 54%
Minmatar Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade: 54%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade: 54%
Reprocessing Array + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 54.08%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 54.08%

Minmatar Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 56.16%
Intensive Reprocessing Array + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 56.16%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 56.16%

Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade: 57%
Minmatar Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade: 57%

Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 59.28%
Minmatar Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 59.28%

Minmatar Oupost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade: 60%

Minmatar Oupost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 62.40%
Lilith Shea
Multiplex Gaming
Tactical Narcotics Team
#6 - 2014-07-07 17:41:39 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Facilities
NPC Stations & Outposts: 50%

Reprocessing Array: 52%
NPC Stations & Outposts + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 52%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade: 52%

Minmatar Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade: 53%

Intensive Reprocessing Array: 54%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade: 54%
Reprocessing Array + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 54.08%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 54.08%

Minmatar Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 55.12%

Intensive Reprocessing Array + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 56.16%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 56.16%

Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade: 57%
Minmatar Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade: 57%

Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 59.28%
Minmatar Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 59.28%

Minmatar Oupost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade: 60%

Minmatar Oupost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 62.40%



You sir are a gentleman and a scholar
Servjen
Giant Industrials
Center for Digital Chemistry
#7 - 2014-07-07 18:30:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Servjen
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Facilities
NPC Stations & Outposts: 50%

Reprocessing Array: 52%
NPC Stations & Outposts + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 52%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade: 52%

Minmatar Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade: 53%

Intensive Reprocessing Array: 54%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade: 54%
Reprocessing Array + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 54.08%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 54.08%

Minmatar Outpost + Basic Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 55.12%

Intensive Reprocessing Array + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 56.16%
Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 56.16%

Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade: 57%
Minmatar Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade: 57%

Amarr / Caldari / Gallente Outpost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 59.28%
Minmatar Outpost + Intermediate Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 59.28%

Minmatar Oupost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade: 60%

Minmatar Oupost + Advanced Reprocessing Upgrade + 4% Reprocessing Implant: 62.40%


Is this with or without Skill's?

nvm. found another post with the answer:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4770202#post4770202

This is where I put my signature, right?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#8 - 2014-07-07 19:05:55 UTC
Servjen wrote:
Is this with or without Skill's?

nvm. found another post with the answer:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4770202#post4770202

For others that don't get it...

My post above is without skills applied, hence it is labelled Facilities.

I included a 4% reprocessing implant into the facilities amount, as the implant's effect doesn't change with skill, and it helps to show the effect of the implant.