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Mukuro Gravedigger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2014-07-05 00:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Mukuro Gravedigger
I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas. Then I will see that if this patch basically reduced everyone being individuals to everyone being cookie cutters with the same prints at the same costs. Then I can use the subscription money on other wasted pursuits.

Not to be too negative, but I am not too comfortable with these changes.
Adunh Slavy
#22 - 2014-07-05 02:05:02 UTC
CCP has once again missed the real issues with the eve economy and aimed at a trivial answer, more ISK skinks. I for one am looking for lows with the expectation that these changes are only going to further the demand for ISK and not raw materials.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-07-05 11:24:50 UTC
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas. Then I will see that if this patch basically reduced everyone being individuals to everyone being cookie cutters with the same prints at the same costs. Then I can use the subscription money on other wasted pursuits.

Not to be too negative, but I am not too comfortable with these changes.


Trouble is you won't know that for quite a while. Say 3 - 6 months.
Whang'Lo
Cosmically Irrelevant
#24 - 2014-07-07 05:57:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Whang'Lo
I'm thinking the whole T2 market is gonna become like the whole T1 ammo market.

Vast amounts of noobs selling everything at cost.

Lifting standings reqs for pos's, removing the need for 1000's of copies, what
real barriers are there now for anyone to start cranking out mass T2 gear?

Everything is gonna become like T2 ships... why bother.

[u]A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs[/u]
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#25 - 2014-07-07 07:03:21 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
I'm thinking the whole T2 market is gonna become like the whole T1 ammo market.

Vast amounts of noobs selling everything at cost.

Lifting standings reqs for pos's, removing the need for 1000's of copies, what
real barriers are there now for anyone to start cranking out mass T2 gear?

Everything is gonna become like T2 ships... why bother.

All the invention skills?
Most T2 ships are like that because they are dominated by T2 BPO's, not because there are hundreds of people selling low.

Also, there is no longer any 'waste' at all as I read it.
Simply a mineral requirement off which you get a certain percentage discount based on BPO ME & the Facility you build it in.

So the 'tools' will become a lot simpler to work with, no extra materials, no weird waste maths, just base cost * (1-ME discount)
Desash
The Extremely Norty Gankers Union
#26 - 2014-07-07 14:19:09 UTC
Whang'Lo wrote:
I'm thinking the whole T2 market is gonna become like the whole T1 ammo market.

Vast amounts of noobs selling everything at cost.

Lifting standings reqs for pos's, removing the need for 1000's of copies, what
real barriers are there now for anyone to start cranking out mass T2 gear?

Everything is gonna become like T2 ships... why bother.

This was my thinking too which is part of the reason why I have moth-balled 12 accounts (approx. 20 T2 module inventors/builders). I'll check on the health of the T2 market 2-3 months after the patch hits.
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#27 - 2014-07-07 14:52:41 UTC
- Remapped to train refining skills for the next 6 months or so
- Speculating on select faction POS modules
- Shifted assets in response to the removal of slots
- Currently planning how to optimize the distribution of jobs in response to the removal of slot limits
- Fingers crossed that jobs can be restarted with a click or two after delivery as shown at fanfest - 11 clicks per job is too much
Ginger Barbarella
#28 - 2014-07-07 21:00:03 UTC
Towers down, all T2 prints manufactured and a couple years worth of stuff for my FW alts. Ready to make trouble now that CCP has declared war on high sec industry. :)

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#29 - 2014-07-07 22:21:12 UTC
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas.

This past weekend I looked at some T2 BPC, and noted an 18% increase in materials on some.

I didn't bother to look at the added line costs after discovering this.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2014-07-07 23:05:45 UTC
Reprocessed everything that needs reprocessing
Josclyn Verreuil
Dark 0rder.
#31 - 2014-07-08 01:26:52 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas.

This past weekend I looked at some T2 BPC, and noted an 18% increase in materials on some.

I didn't bother to look at the added line costs after discovering this.


Someone didn't bother looking at the ME.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#32 - 2014-07-08 21:48:03 UTC
Building / buying what I needing for at least 6 months of my usual weekly activity.

Towers down, BPO research completed for the time being.
Sold off a bunch of moon poop in the months since the first "portents" began to appear at Fanfest.

And my personal favourite:

... waiting to see what we *HAVEN'T* been told about, and how the community will react.

Maybe POS will suffer another "hush, hush, only the cool kids know this secret" type exploit like we had a number of years ago with the reactor scandal. P

I mean, Sweet Geebus... something has to blow up in our faces without warning... this is EVE ! ! ! ! P

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-07-09 14:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Felicity Love
Whang'Lo wrote:
I'm thinking the whole T2 market is gonna become like the whole T1 ammo market.

Vast amounts of noobs selling everything at cost.

Lifting standings reqs for pos's, removing the need for 1000's of copies, what
real barriers are there now for anyone to start cranking out mass T2 gear?

Everything is gonna become like T2 ships... why bother.


Well, when Null gets the better "everything" on Industry with CRIUS, there's a good chance that a greater proportion of those T2 products will be made in Null, meaning more of the raw and semi-refined moon mats will stay there, too, and that some of the large Null blocs may see this as a chance to formulate the beginnings of a T2 "embargo" of sorts.

At the very least, some materials will become (and/or remain) more strategic than others (simply due to geography and who can control the supply) and that means Null sec builders can begin to gouge Empire dwellers when they bring their greater quantities of manufactured T2 goodies to Jita.

If, like some of us, you're old enough to remember the 70's and OPEC, then you have an inkling of what that kind of supply manipulation does to prices.

Fun times. Or not. Depends how you get your jollies.

Blink

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#34 - 2014-07-09 17:24:15 UTC
Josclyn Verreuil wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Mukuro Gravedigger wrote:
I will see how bad CCP "butchers" the blue prints compared to the levels I had them prior to this patch. Then I will see how much it will cost to manufacture the same items using their new formulas.

This past weekend I looked at some T2 BPC, and noted an 18% increase in materials on some.

I didn't bother to look at the added line costs after discovering this.


Someone didn't bother looking at the ME.

The BPC I was looking at was ML -1 and went to ME 9% with 18% more material in the manufacturing quote.
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#35 - 2014-07-09 17:35:32 UTC
Felicity Love wrote:
And my personal favourite:

... waiting to see what we *HAVEN'T* been told about, and how the community will react.

Maybe POS will suffer another "hush, hush, only the cool kids know this secret" type exploit like we had a number of years ago with the reactor scandal. P

I mean, Sweet Geebus... something has to blow up in our faces without warning... this is EVE ! ! ! ! P



You mean like CCP deciding to remove the install bonus for multiple modules because they couldn't balance it right and only posting about it on the Test Server Feedback forums?

I had my first long-term POS staged and ready to go on July 22. Now I think it's going to sit in a hangar somewhere because all of the "little things" CCP has rolled back with the starbase changes make it considerably less worth it to me. We'll see. Maybe I'll put it up anyways just to be stubborn.

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#36 - 2014-07-09 18:57:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
I have shut down all industry activity. Frankly, the multiple threads were too much for me to follow - I just don't have the time. So I will sit on the sidelines and watch for a month or two. When things are stable I will update my tools and take a look.

Edit: yeah, above post is exactly what I mean.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#37 - 2014-07-09 20:11:15 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
You mean like CCP deciding to remove the install bonus for multiple modules because they couldn't balance it right and only posting about it on the Test Server Feedback forums?

I had my first long-term POS staged and ready to go on July 22. Now I think it's going to sit in a hangar somewhere because all of the "little things" CCP has rolled back with the starbase changes make it considerably less worth it to me. We'll see. Maybe I'll put it up anyways just to be stubborn.

OMFG thanks for pointing this out. I hadn't heard about it yet Shocked
Vincenzo Arbosa
Locust Assets
#38 - 2014-07-09 20:32:40 UTC
Well then... that changes things significantly.

At this point preparations of any sort are speculative until we know exactly what is, and what is not, going into Crius. I guess my preparations will include waiting for a dev blog that will lay it all out and then try to plan accordingly. 
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#39 - 2014-07-09 23:58:46 UTC
Vincenzo Arbosa wrote:
Well then... that changes things significantly.

At this point preparations of any sort are speculative until we know exactly what is, and what is not, going into Crius. I guess my preparations will include waiting for a dev blog that will lay it all out and then try to plan accordingly.

The only prediction I'm betting the farm on is that prices will rise, probably significantly.
Sir SmashAlot
The League of Extraordinary Opportunists
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#40 - 2014-07-10 01:51:22 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Bronson Hughes wrote:
You mean like CCP deciding to remove the install bonus for multiple modules because they couldn't balance it right and only posting about it on the Test Server Feedback forums?

I had my first long-term POS staged and ready to go on July 22. Now I think it's going to sit in a hangar somewhere because all of the "little things" CCP has rolled back with the starbase changes make it considerably less worth it to me. We'll see. Maybe I'll put it up anyways just to be stubborn.

OMFG thanks for pointing this out. I hadn't heard about it yet Shocked


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