EVE General Discussion

I don't do multiquoting because it's tedious. Also I typed out a long response and the forum ate it so I will just comment on this:



If CCP calculated that the losses from rage quitters would be more than compensated by the gains from new players they would probably make the changes. However CCP don't seem keen to expand EVE to a wider audience, so as I said before, the game will continue pretty much as is, and everyone's jimmies can remain calmly unrustled at talk of changes to attract new players. EVE is what it is, CCP are happy with that, the players seem mostly happy with that, everyone's a winner.

Make a new account for your 30 days access. Otherwise you can't.

Can you imagine if everyone were able to join it? Not only would it be trolled to oblivion or filled with off-topic chat like the other Help channel but it would move faster than Jita local and nobody would get any answers.

better than wrong answers from equally clueless people?

In my experience, it's wonderfully self-regulating.

You get the occasional troll, but almost all of the other dudes (newbies and vets alike) immediately gang up on him and tell him to GTFO (so does the ISD).

You also get some guy saying stuff like 'don't ever leave highsec, you'll die', but then a bunch of people start saying 'nah, you just need to be careful' and giving basic survival advice.

Or someone saying 'players will grief you' but someone else pointing out that non-consensual PVP is part of the game, some other guy explaining the EULA, a newbie or two chiming in to learn more about the 'content-creating' lifestyle becuase it appeals to them.


For some strange but wonderful reason, I've always experienced the 'channel consensus' boiling down to common sense and the actual game mechanics and rules, with a neutral stance on 'space morality'.

I agree. That's what happened to me, btw. I was taken into my corp and shown new sides of EVE.

But when you say "Some will get it and stay, some won't and leave" you forget those who "don't get it and complain about it, wanting to change the game", and those are the ones the "bitter vets" don't like.

Edit: grammar xD

It used to be that a new mining inclined player would start playing, spend many hours saving and burning rocks to get into an exhumer and then get over cocky and decide to try mining in low sec, at which point they'd get their faces burned off by pirates. That was generally the point where you'd find out whether a player just ragequit or instead fostered their seething rage, determined that ONE DAY I'M GOING TO KILL THAT GUY and became one of the Eve community.

Obviously occasionally there would be a suicide gank in high sec, but it usually felt like it was cleverly done, on high value targets. As a new player it was thrilling, knowing that people were pulling off what felt like daring heists.

Nowadays people start playing, save for that exhumer and then just get popped in high sec by a bad RP'er who has determined that their gameplay style is the only one that matters. Instead of people losing their ships in high sec because of bad gameplay decisions, they're losing them in increasing numbers just by chance. People generally don't like chaos, especially when they haven't yet fully engaged with the game.

Oh and for those people who claim it's the newbies own faults for not checking gankers forums etc etc, get over yourselves.

High sec used to be a place people wanted to leave, now it's seemingly become a place everyone is moving back. The real irony? It's the gankers who are the ones trying to insist that the high sec environment change to suit them. High sec is supposed to be boring.

Someone break up the megablobs in null for crying out loud, so we can go back to just ignoring highsec again.

I think all anyone wants is for a new player to WANT to get it.

High sec: War dec anyone you like (if you can afford it), attack anyone you like (but Concord will hammer you in many cases), go anywhere you like, do anything you like, you pay no one except CCP for the privilege of play the game.

Null sec blue blanket: You can only attack this approved list of people, and only in these approved zones. As a renter, you are only allowed to operate in highly prescribed areas. As a regular line member, if attack someone you are not supposed to, you will be swiftly banned from the null sec areas controlled by the various parties in agreements. If you do not pay your monthly rental fees and tithes to the feudal lords promptly, you are kicked from the null sec areas controlled by the various parties in the agreements. If you are a renter, you are only allowed specific actions which are PVE-only activities, within your prescribed space, and not allowed to deviate from that, under pain of destruction and banishment.

Yup, sov null sec certainly is a the wild west, compared to the "themepark" of high sec.

Actually, in nullsec, you can attack anyone you like at any time you like.

Since highsec has these hard-coded costs built into any aggression and nullsec does not, it sure is.