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Bomber Duo or Bomber + Recon Ops Duo?
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Prof essor Chaos
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-07-07 01:19:06 UTC
Hey all

Gen eral Disarray and I are planning to bring destruction to new eden and need to know what would be better as a duo pvp group so we can plan accordingly.

These are what im thinking about...

Bomber (max dps) + Bomber (Web/Scram/Max EHP)
Purifier + Manticore or Nemesis

Bomber (max dps) + Recon Ops (Web/Scram/EHP/Probe)
Purifier + Arazu scout with Dual Warp/Sensor disruptors and web (drone dps)

Purifier + Pilgrim with Scram/Tracking disruptor, web and neut (drone dps)


We are leaning toward a Bomber + Recon duo as it seems the recon would last longer then a 2nd bomber considering have to be close for web/scram and Bomber + Bomber duo will do more DPS just not sure which would be the better duo.

Please help!
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#2 - 2014-07-07 01:36:32 UTC
In my opinion, you won't need to pick your fights as carefully with the bomber/recon combo. You have a lot more options open to you.

That said, there are places where the bomber/bomber combo would be the better (only) option. On the other side of a restricted gate, for instance. If they even still exist.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ethikos
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-07-07 01:38:47 UTC
Err .. you can try the bomber + recon approach or two bombers approach; but honestly I dont think its going to be very effective. If your trying to go just the two of you, I would look at two assault frigates or the like. What do you want to do with the bombers? Launch bombs, torpedo fit, what? Is there a reason you picked this idea?

Sniggwaffe (Waffles)
Prof essor Chaos
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-07-07 01:49:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Prof essor Chaos
Ethikos wrote:
Err .. you can try the bomber + recon approach or two bombers approach; but honestly I dont think its going to be very effective. If your trying to go just the two of you, I would look at two assault frigates or the like. What do you want to do with the bombers? Launch bombs, torpedo fit, what? Is there a reason you picked this idea?


Well the reason why we picked this was to be as stealthy as possible to pick our targets and kill bascially anything BS sized and below. Obviously it would be torps only no bombs as the bomb would hit Gen eral Disarray due to being so close for web/disruption.

Now that ive thought about what we want to do seems like the bomber+ recon is the best as the recon can take out frigs I would assume being a cruiser and all.

Now the big question what would be better at tackle + frig killer? Pilgrim or Arazu?
Qaping Pi
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-07-07 02:06:07 UTC
I'd go Pilgrim or Rapier for frig killing over the Arazu. The Pilgrim's neutralizer/drone bonuses and the Rapier's webs can shut down a frig. With an Arazu, damps won't do much to save you and the frig is afterburner fit the scram's not going to help a whole lot.
Degnar Oskold
Moira.
#6 - 2014-07-07 12:31:13 UTC
For what you are doing, you want Recon + Recon duo. Specifically a Pilgrim fitted for DPS and a Falcon for jamming.
Justin Zaine
#7 - 2014-07-12 18:47:41 UTC
Degnar Oskold wrote:
For what you are doing, you want Recon + Recon duo. Specifically a Pilgrim fitted for DPS and a Falcon for jamming.


He didn't ask about recon+recon, he asked about recon/bomber or bomber/bomber.

OP, I'd suggest you go with a recon and a bomber. Bringing the recon along will lengthen your list of possible targets, will provide some much needed EHP in comparison to a bomber/bomber duo and will serve as a force multiplier, making it as if you had more than two ships.

I'd recommend the pilgrim. Your strategy would be to get up close with the pilgrim to keep your target webbed, scrammed, neuted and tracking disrupted. You'd use the pilgrims drones to kill off any drones that the target ship might be trying to throw at the bomber pilot, who would ideally be orbitting at max range lobbing torps. If the bomber did have to gtfo for whatever reason, it would be easy for him to do so, and the pilgrim, being the best (Depending who you ask, i guess) recon for solo work, shouldn't have much of a problem killing most targets BS and under without his bomber friend present if things went sideways. The bomber could always drop back in and start lobbing again once aggro had been taken off of him.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#8 - 2014-07-13 10:09:47 UTC
Bombers never have any EHPs. Even the MSE fits are just to survive a failed bomb run. Not for real tank. Their tank is their cloak.

So Recon/bomber combo is the way to go.

Also make sure you understand explosion radius and how that affects damage applied. Torps and bombs have very large explosion radius and thus anything smaller than a BS does not take full damage. Frigs can take so little damage if they are not MWD that i have seen 5 or so bombers simply not break the tank!

Rapiers have a target painter bonus as well as range on webs. Probably make it the best single recon IMO.

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