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Apanake 0.5 Level 4 SOE Missions

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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-07-06 00:34:07 UTC
1st:
Attack of the Drones.
(escort a convoy of trade goods heading out to our headquarters...)

1.05m ISK ; 3,276 LP ; 743k ISK bonus (3 hrs 9 mins


After that I will try the Level 3 Gallente Federation Navy, until I can reach the level 4 Gallente Epic Arc.
If that is not the best course or sequence of action, I'll take the Epic Arc Corp's Mission to level 4.

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Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-07-06 08:03:57 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
1st:
Attack of the Drones.
(escort a convoy of trade goods heading out to our headquarters...)

1.05m ISK ; 3,276 LP ; 743k ISK bonus (3 hrs 9 mins


After that I will try the Level 3 Gallente Federation Navy, until I can reach the level 4 Gallente Epic Arc.
If that is not the best course or sequence of action, I'll take the Epic Arc Corp's Mission to level 4.


what do u want to tell us with this. besides its a **** mission, apanake gave me mostly blockade assault ae and gone berserkl
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-07-06 08:35:34 UTC
I will quit since it is too complicated and will be worth less than level 3 missions for me.
It takes more time to complete and require more logitic which costs more energy than the rewards.

For example, a 20m mission + loot , bounties , etc costs over 50m in repairs and drones, etc.

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Nik Hanin
Divergent Booty
#4 - 2014-07-06 08:53:29 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
I will quit since it is too complicated and will be worth less than level 3 missions for me.
It takes more time to complete and require more logitic which costs more energy than the rewards.

For example, a 20m mission + loot , bounties , etc costs over 50m in repairs and drones, etc.


How do you manage to get costs at 50 mil? Except for ammo and one or two lost drones there shouldn't be any costs, unless you are ganked.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2014-07-06 09:12:47 UTC
If you give us some more information we could help you.
Things like what ship you are using, what fit you are using, stuff like that.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-07-06 09:23:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
If you give us some more information we could help you.
Things like what ship you are using, what fit you are using, stuff like that.

lol
help me how?
I just stated I have done the study to prove that the PLEX makes more than 10,000% more profit.
What more do you want?
Your help, aside from the less than 1% of mention of that, is designed at making me lose even if you don't understand.
The conditions you omit is the cost, and the reward.

If mission 3 pays me 100% more than the cost
and
premise 2:
mission 4 pays 100% more, but costs 100% more than the new payout.
Can you use arithmetic to deduce the solution?
I guess not.

Like most mention in the motivation thread, the reason for that is competition.
Regardless, I rather analyse the condition and put it in practice in my practical plans, or more practical plans.
I don't give advice, I just design advice for myself to counter potential problems, and detect the potential.

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Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-07-06 09:59:01 UTC
1) you have not mentioned anything about a study or plex, you have to give people that information if you expect meaningful feedback or any help

2) as people have mentioned, as far as l4 missions go, there should be no cost (or just ammo) for the player doing them, that is why people requested your fit, to help you reduce the cost you seem to have

3) if you dont expect any replies to your posts, why post?
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-07-06 10:59:02 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
If you give us some more information we could help you.
Things like what ship you are using, what fit you are using, stuff like that.

lol
help me how?
I just stated I have done the study to prove that the PLEX makes more than 10,000% more profit.
What more do you want?
Your help, aside from the less than 1% of mention of that, is designed at making me lose even if you don't understand.
The conditions you omit is the cost, and the reward.

If mission 3 pays me 100% more than the cost
and
premise 2:
mission 4 pays 100% more, but costs 100% more than the new payout.
Can you use arithmetic to deduce the solution?
I guess not.

Like most mention in the motivation thread, the reason for that is competition.
Regardless, I rather analyse the condition and put it in practice in my practical plans, or more practical plans.
I don't give advice, I just design advice for myself to counter potential problems, and detect the potential.


ok
u sound abit like trolling so
just a short apanake blockade l4 gave me 8.5k lp (or there about) and 2.5M mission payout + around 20M to 25M in bounty. Cost was around 500k isk in t2 missiles and 30 minutes of work and the other top end missions are around that end. Also should say atleast as i was running missions it felt like the better the agent standing the higher the chance to get the better missions. But there r ppl out there who blitz mission and say l3 r better depends also on which ship u use
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2014-07-06 12:04:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Dock and fit armor and hull reppers, undock again and repair the damage yourself. Do not pay for station repairs on the ship itself.
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#10 - 2014-07-06 12:38:48 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
...

We discussed this before in another thread, Missions & Complexes Forums are not as adversarial as other forums like General Discussion and Crime & Punishment. Most of the respondents here are trying to help even though sometimes it feels like harsh criticism.

If you spending that much on repairs and replacement drones on each mission there are ways to reduce that and eventually eliminate it altogether.

The first thing you might want to do requires letting people know what your flying and how it is fit. The best mission running ships eliminate repair bills entirely. For instance; by adding a small or medium Remote Armor Repairer you can keep Sentries working almost indefinitely, and keep small, medium and heavy drones alive depending on the situation.

Ammo costs are unavoidable unless you go with a full Drone setup, and I am sure there and many people here that would be willing to help you build and fly a Dominix to help advance your study of the best way to run missions without losing any ISK.

Additionally I think some members were trying to let you know that the LP your earning is worth much more that the ISK you get, as many players have found items to build and sell that earn them over 2000 ISK/LP. This LP to ISK conversion is almost exclusively how expert players earn over 100mil/hr.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-07-06 16:06:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
Not funny...
Barton Breau wrote:
1) you have not mentioned anything about a study or plex, you have to give people that information if you expect meaningful feedback or any help

2) as people have mentioned, as far as l4 missions go, there should be no cost (or just ammo) for the player doing them, that is why people requested your fit, to help you reduce the cost you seem to have

3) if you dont expect any replies to your posts, why post?

1) yes , I do, and I will pay to register copyright for it and then you can come and fight me and argue I didn't and see what I do with that.
That information will have to go to the Copyright office. If that is political, then so be it. And oh. btw, it is meaningful. Just not as meaningful as you expected ?

2) My costs are, and repeatedly will be for the next 100 to 1,000 + times, my internet costs and time costs.
Also, additional costs as of yesterday are :
The EVE Online PLEX specials (2), one at $17 something and the other at $29.99 for 2 PLEXes.
The other 3rd related special offer was $9.99 for 1 month of game time.
There are other costs, such as arguing 99% of the time that it is not true since you try to make it seem so...

In fact, there lies the problem, since I make more than 10,000% from PLEX legally, instead of cost that would waste my time.
Also, those costs are hidden and designed to waste my time.

3) I posted not for the reply but for the statement since I spent the cost to try it.
I will make more from level 3 missions than level 4/
It also means it is better for me to turn pirate.
It is not that I didn't expect replies, it is that I wanted to make a statement.
I have an opinion and I have my thoughts.
I respect your thoughts and the expression of your opinion.
However, I should not enforce mine on you and neither should you try to force yours on me.
I'm not trying to brainwash you or try to be brainwashed or incite others to.
It simply is a fact that yes, your suggestions lead me to losses at over 10,000%.
The PLEX / Bazaar one leads me to 10,000% profit.
A direct difference of over 20,000%.
An blind elephant with colored shades could spot it in a slaughter house corridor.
lol x2, x3, x4, x5 Big smile

Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:
...
ok
u sound abit like trolling so
just a short apanake blockade l4 gave me 8.5k lp (or there about) and 2.5M mission payout + around 20M to 25M in bounty. Cost was around 500k isk in t2 missiles and 30 minutes of work and the other top end missions are around that end. Also should say atleast as i was running missions it felt like the better the agent standing the higher the chance to get the better missions. But there r ppl out there who blitz mission and say l3 r better depends also on which ship u use

So and so, although I can believe you, I'll state in parts only.
You omit important details to make it more believable.
Also, I forgot what else was directly related to this now as I am more than tired from this now.

As for me, it won't be worth it unless I have multiple other players to help me.
The multi-client function worked for a good part on my end, however it was interferred against.
Furthermore, the program simply technically won't work.

Thirdly and not last, and not least, it comes as no surprise to me that I am attacked and your theory defended.
For one thing, it allows other to fall prey to your trap.
For another thing, it would deny ccp to earn more money from PLEX so they can improve (and I say improve, not fix, I doubt they could fix that) the "game" and game program too.
(I know this is too long, but since being rushed, I won't take the time to edit it, since it will only be bashed anyways.
I am not working on an argumentative speech thesis for those looking for university credits.)


Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Dock and fit armor and hull reppers, undock again and repair the damage yourself. Do not pay for station repairs on the ship itself.

erm, Armor reppers work, however, the hull reppers part you will have to test for yourself.
Once the hull goes down, so does the component of the ship health.
Those have repair cost.
The Hull repper on my Battleship only functions at 1% per cycle.
That is 85 cycle at 15% remaining.


Goldiiee wrote:
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:
...

We discussed this before in another thread, Missions & Complexes Forums are not as adversarial as other forums like General Discussion and Crime & Punishment. Most of the respondents here are trying to help even though sometimes it feels like harsh criticism.

If you spending that much on repairs and replacement drones on each mission there are ways to reduce that and eventually eliminate it altogether.

A.
The first thing you might want to do requires letting people know what your flying and how it is fit. The best mission running ships eliminate repair bills entirely. For instance; by adding a small or medium Remote Armor Repairer you can keep Sentries working almost indefinitely, and keep small, medium and heavy drones alive depending on the situation.

Ammo costs are unavoidable unless you go with a full Drone setup, and I am sure there and many people here that would be willing to help you build and fly a Dominix to help advance your study of the best way to run missions without losing any ISK.

Additionally I think some members were trying to let you know that the LP your earning is worth much more that the ISK you get, as many players have found items to build and sell that earn them over 2000 ISK/LP. This LP to ISK conversion is almost exclusively how expert players earn over 100mil/hr.

A.
First of all, there is a reason why I fly the ship I am flying, and it is a better reason than detecting infiltrators.
I use a Large Armor Repper and have a Large Hull Repper in my Station.
I repair Hull when I have the time, as it is time consuming, and the time to repair versus PLEX also is losing.
... Post is full...

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Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-07-06 16:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
Goldiiee wrote:
...
B.
Ammo costs are unavoidable unless you go with a full Drone setup, and I am sure there and many people here that would be willing to help you build and fly a Dominix to help advance your study of the best way to run missions without losing any ISK.

C.
Additionally I think some members were trying to let you know that the LP your earning is worth much more that the ISK you get, as many players have found items to build and sell that earn them over 2000 ISK/LP. This LP to ISK conversion is almost exclusively how expert players earn over 100mil/hr.

B.
My ammo costs range in the 100,000 ISK to 0.5m ISK to over 700k ISK.
My drones are expensive as Sentries cost a lot.
There are missions where light scout drones and medium scout drones are necessary.
Those are the mission with the pirate frigate ships, namely the Dramiel and Daredevil, + perhaps Cruor and Cynable (though this last one is a Cruiser).

C.
The LP I earn is higher in Level 3 since it takes me more than 5 times to do a Level 4 mission.
I will verify now , but it took me and someone else ovre 3 hours to finish the first one.
I then got help from another one and since I had to fix my full for even 15% , he left and threatened to report me for delays.
So, yes, not only is it not worth it for me, I also get threats to my right to get services for my costs.
So, if it is not warfare, and they are not trying to gain spoils from me, then , what is?

My last mission offered 1m reward, 1m bonus if under 4 hours.
It had 4 or 5 pockets, we didn't even clear the first pocket.

PLEX pays me over 50m/hr with the added advantage of zero failure and 100% accuracy.
The other avenues offer less than 1% accuracy if not less than 0.1% or even 0.01%.
They all offer greater rewards and promises beyond the PLEX value.
In turn, the deny me the opportunity to enjoy the PLEX value.
Furthermore, they don't deliver 10% of the PLEX value.


-=-=-
Edit:
Last but not least, many claim credits for help which cost me 99% of revenues.
Furthermore, they couldn't careless if I ended up in jail and cause forfeiture.
In fact, I am left to fend for myself and my son to record such attempts or suffer those records being covertly destroyed.
If this doesn't lead to slavery it is pretty close, for the better or worse.
This should and will go in the Crime & Punishment forum. (I could edit crime to crimes plural, either from counts or many different ones.)
I will also make more profit running both Pirate Epic Arcs.

That doesn't mean I have to engage in piracy even if suggested or indicted by the courts.

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goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#13 - 2014-07-06 16:34:38 UTC
Yeah I would agree. I think... You should run the Pirate Epic Arcs. they use small inexpensive ships and have very detailed guides available. There are even a few services that offer pre-set Bookmarks and more detailed mission descriptions, I can't remember the name of the group that does it, but a search should net you some results.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Barton Breau
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-07-06 16:53:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Barton Breau
Yeh, i concur, simpler missions may be a good idea if the l4 takes you 3 hours with a friend and you loose sentry drones, you can always try them later.

EDIT: i hope it is abundantly clear to everyone that being a pirate ingame does not make you a criminal irl.
Lar Tadaruwa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2014-07-06 16:57:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Lar Tadaruwa
Goldiiee wrote:
Yeah I would agree. I think... You should run the Pirate Epic Arcs. they use small inexpensive ships and have very detailed guides available. There are even a few services that offer pre-set Bookmarks and more detailed mission descriptions, I can't remember the name of the group that does it, but a search should net you some results.

How should I guess?

Angel Extravaganza

Objective
Prevent the Angel Cartel attack by flying to the 5 rendezvous points and destroying a large portion of their forces, including their highest ranking officer.

Rewards
The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission: 1,560,000 ISK
6166 Loyalty Points.

Bonus Rewards
Bonus no longer available. The bonus time interval has passed. 1,530,000 ISK


Edit:
Everyone can make it abundantly clear that
Making me a criminal irl does not make (me) a pirate ingame.

+
Accepted
Mekamireki Fedas (wonder the Fedos relation...)
Type : Encounter (Level IV - Security)
This mission expires at 2014.07.13 06:07

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goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#16 - 2014-07-06 17:02:51 UTC
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:

How should I guess?


http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/jowen/Guristas_Epic_Arc_guide_by_Jowen_Datloran_v1.0.pdf
http://lorebook.eve-inspiracy.com/guides/Angel_Epic_Arc_guide_by_Jowen_Datloran_v0.9.pdf

Here are two from google search for 'Pirate Epic Arc guides'.

Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.
Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-07-06 18:33:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeanne-Luise Argenau
Lar Tadaruwa wrote:


Angel Extravaganza

Objective
Prevent the Angel Cartel attack by flying to the 5 rendezvous points and destroying a large portion of their forces, including their highest ranking officer.

Rewards
The following rewards will be yours if you complete this mission: 1,560,000 ISK
6166 Loyalty Points.

Bonus Rewards
Bonus no longer available. The bonus time interval has passed. 1,530,000 ISK


This mission takes me 30 to 40 minutes, whats your social skills for payout and lp? Not sure if i remember my mission running times correctly but i thought i got more lp for my .5 agent.

the mission ship i used was a raven navy.

[Raven Navy Issue, mission]

Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation

X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Large Micro Jump Drive
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II
Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Garde II x3
Hobgoblin II x5
Cap Booster 800 x15
Scourge Fury Cruise Missile x1944
Scourge Precision Cruise Missile x648

But with what u said, u rly should stay with l3 missions for the time being
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#18 - 2014-07-06 18:50:19 UTC
I have been rather patient with threads like these started by the OP. However, that patience is running thin.

Thread locked as the OP is apparently not interested in a civil and open discussion, as he resorts to personal attacks to those that politely state they want to help him.

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