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Cargo scanning in empire
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Liquidman
Brain Farmers Inc
#1 - 2014-07-04 18:34:27 UTC
travelling thru empire I notice I am constantly being cargo scanned.
would it not be kewl if there was a module you could fit that would make a cargo scan an aggressive act? of course the scanner would be warned "this is an agressive act, do you wish to proceed"
Saint Germain
Sekundu
#2 - 2014-07-04 19:22:59 UTC
Maybe the whole system needs a rethink, possibly including the 'Black Market Trading' skill and drug smuggling as well.

How about this, cargo scanning becomes undetectable, except for a random chance. The chance of getting caught can be reduced by training up a skill. If you get caught scanning, that flags you as a suspect.
Iain Cariaba
#3 - 2014-07-04 19:37:04 UTC
Liquidman wrote:
travelling thru empire I notice I am constantly being cargo scanned.
would it not be kewl if there was a module you could fit that would make a cargo scan an aggressive act? of course the scanner would be warned "this is an agressive act, do you wish to proceed"

So why should someone doing a scan, like they do in... I don't know... almost every single sci-fi story ever told, be considered an agressive act? That's like saying it should be a crime for me to look in the back of your truck whe you pull up beside me at a light, or to look in your shopping cart at the grocery store.
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#4 - 2014-07-04 19:48:26 UTC
It would be nice if there were skills to train to make scanning more reliable, and then skills the freight pilots could train to make it harder to scan their cargo.

At present, a 30 second old throw-away alt can scan just as well as an all Vs character. The only difference being a few fractions of a second off the timer on their scanner, which matters not at all.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#5 - 2014-07-04 19:54:27 UTC
Liquidman wrote:
travelling thru empire I notice I am constantly being cargo scanned.
would it not be kewl if there was a module you could fit that would make a cargo scan an aggressive act? of course the scanner would be warned "this is an agressive act, do you wish to proceed"
Why?

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Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2014-07-04 20:50:43 UTC
Paikis wrote:
It would be nice if there were skills to train to make scanning more reliable, and then skills the freight pilots could train to make it harder to scan their cargo.

At present, a 30 second old throw-away alt can scan just as well as an all Vs character. The only difference being a few fractions of a second off the timer on their scanner, which matters not at all.

rant

Why is it always this 'throw away alt' crap? Do you really think people make all these alts to do stuff that isn't punishable to begin with? If you're that afraid of getting ganked, perhaps you should read one of the multitudes of other nerf-ganking threads like this on and learn how to do it yourself.

"Whaaaa, the big bad ganker is going to get me!!!" You know what, you knew what you were getting into when you signed up for this game. If you can't handle it then you should go back to Hello Kitty Online rather than join the multitudes of other whiners crying for more and more nerfs on forums using ideas that have already been submitted hundreds if not thousands of times in this game's 11 year history.

/rant
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#7 - 2014-07-04 21:07:06 UTC
Iain Cariaba wrote:

rant

Why is it always this 'throw away alt' crap? Do you really think people make all these alts to do stuff that isn't punishable to begin with? If you're that afraid of getting ganked, perhaps you should read one of the multitudes of other nerf-ganking threads like this on and learn how to do it yourself.

"Whaaaa, the big bad ganker is going to get me!!!" You know what, you knew what you were getting into when you signed up for this game. If you can't handle it then you should go back to Hello Kitty Online rather than join the multitudes of other whiners crying for more and more nerfs on forums using ideas that have already been submitted hundreds if not thousands of times in this game's 11 year history.

/rant


Cool story bro, add some dragons next time. Did you find 20 bucks?
Sigras
Conglomo
#8 - 2014-07-04 22:59:32 UTC
What if you had containers that were immune to cargo scan... say 1,000 m^3 in volume but 300 m^3 in capacity?
Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#9 - 2014-07-04 23:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Arden Elenduil
Or how about you double wrap your packages, which effectively makes them immune to cargo scanning...
Stop your crying and adapt to the situation you have. You already have the tools, USE THEM, don't rely on the devs to fix something for you that you can already easily do.

Alternatively, you can use a Blockade Runner, who are IMMUNE to cargo scanning.
Honestly, what is with people these days...
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#10 - 2014-07-05 00:24:05 UTC
Arden Elenduil wrote:
Or how about you double wrap your packages, which effectively makes them immune to cargo scanning...
Stop your crying and adapt to the situation you have. You already have the tools, USE THEM, don't rely on the devs to fix something for you that you can already easily do.

Alternatively, you can use a Blockade Runner, who are IMMUNE to cargo scanning.
Honestly, what is with people these days...

Doubling wrapping is incredibly tedious to do under the current mechanics, and requires a lot of tooing and froing, so isn't a good 'solution' currently. Nor is he asking for his entire hold to be immune.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#11 - 2014-07-05 00:26:05 UTC
Arden Elenduil wrote:
Or how about you double wrap your packages, which effectively makes them immune to cargo scanning...
Stop your crying and adapt to the situation you have. You already have the tools, USE THEM, don't rely on the devs to fix something for you that you can already easily do.

Alternatively, you can use a Blockade Runner, who are IMMUNE to cargo scanning.
Honestly, what is with people these days...


Arden, you can now just drop the mic and walk away - you totally nailed it.

Asking for a counter measure to something when there is already a valid and effective counter-measure to it = daft.

OP, you have the tools you need to make sure your cargo is never scanned. Use them.
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#12 - 2014-07-05 00:37:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaerakh
Liquidman wrote:
travelling thru empire I notice I am constantly being cargo scanned.
would it not be kewl if there was a module you could fit that would make a cargo scan an aggressive act? of course the scanner would be warned "this is an agressive act, do you wish to proceed"


No.

Paikis wrote:
Iain Cariaba wrote:

-snip-


Cool story bro, add some dragons next time. Did you find 20 bucks?


Couldn't agree more. EVE is a game with mechanics designed around characters, not accounts. Throw away alts are an abuse of that architecture.

Getting back to cargo/ship scanners. I couldn't agree more that this need more fleshing out. Currently it's retardedly easy and simple to scan almost any ship in the game.

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Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#13 - 2014-07-05 00:41:37 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Arden Elenduil wrote:
Or how about you double wrap your packages, which effectively makes them immune to cargo scanning...
Stop your crying and adapt to the situation you have. You already have the tools, USE THEM, don't rely on the devs to fix something for you that you can already easily do.

Alternatively, you can use a Blockade Runner, who are IMMUNE to cargo scanning.
Honestly, what is with people these days...


Arden, you can now just drop the mic and walk away - you totally nailed it.

Asking for a counter measure to something when there is already a valid and effective counter-measure to it = daft.

OP, you have the tools you need to make sure your cargo is never scanned. Use them.



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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#14 - 2014-07-05 02:04:59 UTC
Liquidman wrote:
travelling thru empire I notice I am constantly being cargo scanned.
would it not be kewl if there was a module you could fit that would make a cargo scan an aggressive act? of course the scanner would be warned "this is an agressive act, do you wish to proceed"


Or we can *not* break the game, and you can just learn to double wrap instead.

Yeesh.

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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2014-07-05 10:31:17 UTC
Aren't blockade runners immune to scans?

there's your solution OP.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-07-05 10:59:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
I'm open to cargo scanning someone being a suspect activity though, consider if someone walked up to your car at the lights and looked in your boot and windows...

ed: Having said that it makes ganking yet more difficult although only one shp goes suspect and in hisec who is likely to engage you?
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#17 - 2014-07-05 11:06:31 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I'm open to cargo scanning someone being a suspect activity though, consider if someone walked up to your car at the lights and looked in your boot and windows...

ed: Having said that it makes ganking yet more difficult although only one shp goes suspect and in hisec who is likely to engage you?


CONCORD is a peace keeping force that responds to violations with violent retribution. They're not a civil defense force concerned with petty crime. As I just said they're peace keepers original set up to beat ass on the empires if the decided to pull a fast one on each other. Capsuleer regulation was an after thought.

I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure that's a lore accurate description. Now if you're arguing this from a pure mechanics perspective that's a different case, but I just wanted to make sure you didn't think CONCORD was the same as a country's local law enforcement.

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-07-05 12:23:05 UTC
Kaerakh wrote:
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
I'm open to cargo scanning someone being a suspect activity though, consider if someone walked up to your car at the lights and looked in your boot and windows...

ed: Having said that it makes ganking yet more difficult although only one shp goes suspect and in hisec who is likely to engage you?


CONCORD is a peace keeping force that responds to violations with violent retribution. They're not a civil defense force concerned with petty crime. As I just said they're peace keepers original set up to beat ass on the empires if the decided to pull a fast one on each other. Capsuleer regulation was an after thought.

I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure that's a lore accurate description. Now if you're arguing this from a pure mechanics perspective that's a different case, but I just wanted to make sure you didn't think CONCORD was the same as a country's local law enforcement.


I never mentioned CONCORD, I simply said that rifling through someones cargo manifest without asking first is pretty damn suspicious...
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#19 - 2014-07-05 12:39:56 UTC
So let's change the mechanics:
Add a scanner strength to the cargo scanners
Add a module that adds scanning resistance.
Every cycle has a chance to successfully scan the ship depending on strength/resistance somewhat similar to ECM.
Add a Serpentis hauler with a role bonus to scanning resistance.
Give customs a scan strength depending on the security level of the system and if it's a border gate or not.
Add a skill that increases scan resistance against customs.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-07-05 12:44:50 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Liquidman wrote:
travelling thru empire I notice I am constantly being cargo scanned.
would it not be kewl if there was a module you could fit that would make a cargo scan an aggressive act? of course the scanner would be warned "this is an agressive act, do you wish to proceed"
Why?
Exactly, why?

It wouldn't deter anybody from cargo scanning.

It would hardly 'warn' you about being scanned. Many people just don't pay attention to anything, and those who do couldn't really know if the guy just went suspect for any other reason.

In any case, it wouldn't give you any valuable intel. If your cargo is scannable, just assume it will always get scanned, and fly accordingly.

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