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The funny thing about timing and targeting....
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Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#21 - 2014-07-04 08:22:58 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
Also, when you're over 150km from Lowsec gates or stations, the (respective) guns won't fire on you Big smile
Good fun to play with people who don't know that.


It actually is a 150 KM from the guns, not the gate or station.
Grunanca
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-07-04 08:26:54 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Im running in low sec.....I get randomly targeted by some other ship neara gate.....

...I know he is up to no good so I hit my ECM on him.....

Now, becuase I ECM'd him without him firing a shot, I get the bad-guy blinky on me. Cry


Seems to me this is messed up. I was acting defensively where split second decisions count...yet EVE doesnt see it that way and marks me as the aggressor.


Why?


BTW....he warp scrambled and fired on me but my 2nd ECM on him took and I got away.....blinky and all.


I know real life comparisons are bad... But ill do it anyway this time. A guy walks up to you on the street. he stares into your face and treatens you. A: you try to get away from the situation and only use violence if he starts. B: You punch him in the face and end up in jail yourself, as he claims he would have never touched you. Agression works the same way in EVE. You have to actually do the crime to get the punishment.
Please No Gankarino
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-07-04 08:42:09 UTC
Defensive: You can't target ME

Offensive: You can't target ANYTHING.

Only one of these mechanics exist.
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-07-04 09:18:49 UTC
Grunanca wrote:
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I know real life comparisons are bad... But ill do it anyway this time. A guy walks up to you on the street. he stares into your face and treatens you. A: you try to get away from the situation and only use violence if he starts. B: You punch him in the face and end up in jail yourself, as he claims he would have never touched you. Agression works the same way in EVE. You have to actually do the crime to get the punishment.


Nothing in life is that clear cut. You could drop him, he presses charges, but it turns out he's well known to the police as a fight starting threatening guy.
I went to school with a guy who flattened a skinhead who did exactly that, with the staring and threats in front of witnesses. After the flattening, Mr Skinhead was hoisted and dropped onto a fire hydrant. Schoolfriend visited him in hospital and warned him not to even think of vengeance of any kind. Left flowers.

As usual, the best stories are the happiest ones.
Yellow boxing is no threat in EvE.
ECM is aggro.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Nami Kumamato
Perkone
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-07-04 09:37:32 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Durbon Groth wrote:
You were definitely at fault.


Yeah, I know. but it still sucks.

If a ship attempts to target you first, and you target him faster with a countermeasure, it should not count against you.

Targeting means just that...you are in their cross-hairs. A countermeasure would be appropriate even if a shot is not fired.


He simply targeted you and scanned you (basically didn't do nothing wrong towards you).
You assigned ECM to him - you were the first to engage aggressively.
What are you missing ?

Fornicate The Constabulary !
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2014-07-04 14:46:42 UTC
Nose' Feliciano wrote:
Im running in low sec.....I get randomly targeted by some other ship neara gate.....

...I know he is up to no good so I hit my ECM on him.....

Now, becuase I ECM'd him without him firing a shot, I get the bad-guy blinky on me. Cry


Seems to me this is messed up. I was acting defensively where split second decisions count...yet EVE doesnt see it that way and marks me as the aggressor.


Why?


BTW....he warp scrambled and fired on me but my 2nd ECM on him took and I got away.....blinky and all.

Working as intended´. Just because he yellow boxes you does not mean he agresses. You agressed by activatig ECM. He played you...just keep calm and and wait until he aggresses.

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#27 - 2014-07-04 16:15:38 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Seraph Essael wrote:
Also, when you're over 150km from Lowsec gates or stations, the (respective) guns won't fire on you Big smile
Good fun to play with people who don't know that.


It actually is a 150 KM from the guns, not the gate or station.

The more you know Big smile Cheers.

Although I have engaged 150 off a Gate before in Zinoo, within 150 of the guns and never got gate gun agression (even though I should have). I'll have to have a play around with the mechanics.

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