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What discourages people to try solo pvp?
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#41 - 2014-07-03 13:37:23 UTC
Solo has no point. I like it for the fights themselves, but it's an utterly pointless and costly actitivy.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-07-03 13:44:42 UTC
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Solo has no point. I like it for the fights themselves, but it's an utterly pointless and costly actitivy.
Such as playing videogames?

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Jenni LaCroix
Doomheim
#43 - 2014-07-03 13:51:16 UTC
So far some interesting answers, but many of which I knew were coming "solo not fun, because much more fun to play with friends, etc etc"

I have to correct the above phrase. Have the people that state solo is no fun, actually tried it out? But for real, not just throwing 1-2 fail fits into the meat grinder and then "ah screw this crap, it sucks", and bugger off to only continue play with "friends".

I do both, but I must say, I like somewhat more to play solo, nothing against my buddies but, I personally, maybe am to sentimental, but constantly flying in a group of 3-4 guys to kill 1 person, sometimes 2, gets so boring. I had 4 v 1 encounters in solo that I actually won, and killing brawling with an incursus while flying one myself, is just so much more fun than flying and picking those fights you know you will win anyway.

Don't know if people know what I mean, but perhaps some people do understand. Still, the point is what discourages it and so far I have seen some interesting answers.
Raider Ray
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2014-07-03 13:51:37 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Solo has no point. I like it for the fights themselves, but it's an utterly pointless and costly actitivy.
Such as playing videogames?


Would you elaborate on what non income earning type of activity is considered worthwhile?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2014-07-03 13:59:59 UTC
Raider Ray wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Solo has no point. I like it for the fights themselves, but it's an utterly pointless and costly actitivy.
Such as playing videogames?


Would you elaborate on what non income earning type of activity is considered worthwhile?
For me? Man, that's a long list! You'll excuse me if I give just a few examples:

Sex.
Eating.
Drinking.
Pissing & shitting.
Shitposting.
Singing.
Dancing.
Going to the beach.

Actually, gotta go to the beach just now. Lol

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-07-03 14:07:38 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Raider Ray wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Solo has no point. I like it for the fights themselves, but it's an utterly pointless and costly actitivy.
Such as playing videogames?


Would you elaborate on what non income earning type of activity is considered worthwhile?
For me? Man, that's a long list! You'll excuse me if I give just a few examples:

Sex.
Eating.
Drinking.
Pissing & shitting.
Shitposting.
Singing.
Dancing.
Going to the beach.

Actually, gotta go to the beach just now. Lol


You forgot channel surfing.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#47 - 2014-07-03 14:09:53 UTC
Raider Ray wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Solo has no point. I like it for the fights themselves, but it's an utterly pointless and costly actitivy.
Such as playing videogames?


Would you elaborate on what non income earning type of activity is considered worthwhile?


pvp?
Jenni LaCroix
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-07-03 14:13:04 UTC
Another thing that I am curious about is what people think regarding the "scores" in this game. Ok, we know by know that CCP for some reason, has no own killboards, and third party killboards are used. Some record some random useless 5 mio isk POS module as a kill, other killboards do for some reason not record epic solo kills, and so on...

So what do people look at in terms of kill boards? Just kills ? So I go and grind as many POSes as possible and then I am considered to be with the elite with the top ranks? So how does the scoring work here? I am sure many people do not care about scores and just enjoy the game but let's be honest, it's nice to have a great killboard, but what makes it great? POS module kills by the thousands ? This I am very curious about, and why CCP does not make its own killboard goes beyond my knowledge as well. Why make kill reports then? If often you are the top damage dealer and you do not even get the kill, and some 3rd party killboard posts it (or not as is often Battleclinic's case), so CCP might as well make their own.
Magormor
Homicidal Suicidal
#49 - 2014-07-03 14:22:48 UTC
What disscoureges me...
Lets take this as a base example:
It is often hard enough to fight 1v4 in relatively matched ships. Like 1 T1 Cruiser, vs 3 T1 Cruiser + Frig.

EWAR
But when the 4 bring an arbitrator, and you are in a gunship, or 3 kiting ships and a Keres, or Kitsune....you see the trend.
Dedicated Ewar will always screw up solo bad, because 100% of the EWAR is on the only ship that would have a chance of removing the EWAR.

Logi
Sometimes the locals know you, and know you are solo. Yet then they form up the 4 man with a Logi. As a solo pilot you don't have the DPS to break a logis reps on others and if he is at least a decent logi he will be protected always.

Links
I don't fly with links, and when I face a group that brings links to kill me it is a pain. Not only am I outnumbered but each ships performance would exceed mine. This can be circumvented if you can lure the 4 man gang out of the system they have links set up in. So it is by far not as bad as the other 2 listed. Also if I did start bringing links it would even the fight a bit more.

Yet for some reason I still solo PVP some days. The feeling of winning a 4v1 is great.

For people who say solo is pointless I disagree. When You fly with 3 other people it can be hard to get a fight. People dont want to engage in "Fair" fights often. When you fly solo you are basically guaranteeing that you will get a fight. Everyone wants to kill a solo guy because you are very engageable!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2014-07-03 14:26:22 UTC
Jenni LaCroix wrote:
Another thing that I am curious about is what people think regarding the "scores" in this game. Ok, we know by know that CCP for some reason, has no own killboards, and third party killboards are used. Some record some random useless 5 mio isk POS module as a kill, other killboards do for some reason not record epic solo kills, and so on...

So what do people look at in terms of kill boards? Just kills ? So I go and grind as many POSes as possible and then I am considered to be with the elite with the top ranks? So how does the scoring work here? I am sure many people do not care about scores and just enjoy the game but let's be honest, it's nice to have a great killboard, but what makes it great? POS module kills by the thousands ? This I am very curious about, and why CCP does not make its own killboard goes beyond my knowledge as well. Why make kill reports then? If often you are the top damage dealer and you do not even get the kill, and some 3rd party killboard posts it (or not as is often Battleclinic's case), so CCP might as well make their own.


I used to have a teacher, Mr Brocco, he was my business teacher in 10th grade. He told me once, if you're keeping score, it's because you feel like you need to. When you're actually doing well, though, and you feel like you're achieving something, you won't feel like you need to.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#51 - 2014-07-03 14:43:10 UTC
I'm going to be flat out honest with you. I suck at pvp, I need lots of friends.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#52 - 2014-07-03 14:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarpedo
Same things discourage me from solo PvP as from group PvP: its pointlessness and boredom in EVE. In other games I can either acquire items and/or fun in PvP. EVE version of PvP is exactly the opposite of "fun" term and losing ships isn't exactly fun either.
Bucklin Fondue
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-07-03 14:57:43 UTC
Well I'm just a 12 mil SP pilot and only account but I love doing solo fights. Granted my kill board is abysmal but it's just to much fun to care about that. But isk is my biggest obstacle, I just can't afford to fly the ships, modules and implants others do. But it feels that much better when I do win one.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2014-07-03 14:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Tarpedo wrote:
Same things discourage me from solo PvP as from group PvP: its pointlessness and boredom in EVE. In other games I can either acquire items and/or fun in PvP. EVE version of PvP is exactly the opposite of "fun" term and losing ships isn't exactly fun either.


EVE isn't other games, and permaloss is one of its core tenets. You will lose ships in PVE as well and never get them back. More importantly, it's what makes PVP in this game like no other game in the best way possible - that real adrenaline rush you get from participating is because of the sense of real risk. In 'other games', when you die, for some reason your body regenerates with all the armour and weapons it was carrying even though they fell with your body where you died. There's no risk associated with it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#55 - 2014-07-03 15:10:46 UTC
When I want to solo I play Silent Hunter -- I play eve to fly in a gang with friends.
Garresh
Mackies Raiders
Wild Geese.
#56 - 2014-07-03 15:30:01 UTC
Solos fine people are just bad and want free wins.

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Serene Repose
#57 - 2014-07-03 15:39:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
I'd like to preface my remarks with a lengthy list of my enviable qualifications before I address this issue. Also, I'd like to present my copious provenance as a computer gamer so all will understand I'm not a poser pretending to have expertise in an area with which I have but a cursory connection.

However, I have no such list or qualifictions. Ain't that a beeyatch?

I don't like to PvP 'cause I'm bored to the bone with PvP. I began with waterballoons and mudballs with my four brothers as targets - moved into 17 years of various sports girls just aren't supposed to play as they mess with the menstrual cycle (not a myth, btw), and capped that with 12 years of tournament chess.

To tell you the truth, I'm fried with beating opponents into submission and robbing them of all they have. Believe it or not, even this can get old. But, you kids, keep on enjoying yourselves. If you work fast you may have a hope to match my trail of wanton destruction and glorious success on the field and off.

TYVM Have a nice day.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Thomas Abernathy
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#58 - 2014-07-03 16:03:19 UTC
There is no "Solo PvP" in EvE...


But good luck trying....

"Fighting CCD since 2139"
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
#59 - 2014-07-03 16:36:45 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
A lot of people try solo PVP.

They quickly realize, however, that CCP has decided they don't really care for it much and have been changing the combat mechanics over the years to discourage it.

At this time, it's just not worth the trouble to do. And that's a shame as I like a little one on one every once in a while.

Mr Epeen Cool


Solo PvP, in any MMO, but especially a sandbox is not really a sane design goal, it is in direct conflict with diversity (e.g. 100s of different ships).

As soon as you start encouraging 1v1 someone is going to want the battleships balanced with the frigates Ugh
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2014-07-03 16:38:33 UTC
Risk averseness.

Not wanting to deal with the fact someone bested them 1v1.

Being concerned with their kill-board green-ess


I don't think there are other reasons why a PvPer wouldn't at least try to solo and see what's what, toss a couple dozen frigs around to get a feel for it. Once they tried, simple reason, they didn't like it and prefear to do something else, altough i find it difficult to believe spinning a shipin a hangar waiting for that perfect fleet to be ready can be more fun eh.