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How long before your first solo kill?

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Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#21 - 2014-07-03 05:50:58 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Killing anyone you can is one extremely simple and childish way to play this game. There are myriad other ways, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

That is your opinion and your opinion only. You don't hesitate for a second to think that some people actually classify that system (I'm guessing that 0.2 system was Bersyrim, you're always in there when I see you, always cloaked too) as being their home and because that's their home, rougue miners are depleting thier resources or rogue ratters are ratting their plex's. Yes, lowsec technically isn't owned, but certain powers partrol and keep those systems for themselves.

Same with wormholes, if someone goes into a wormhole and starts running the sleeper sites or mining the gas etc, you can guarantee the residents (if there are semi competent) will kill the person or run them out with no questions asked. Again it's their home.

They have put the effort in to keep the system, to protect it, to call it home. Sometimes which is a logistical nightmare.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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Don Purple
Snuggle Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#22 - 2014-07-03 05:56:10 UTC
A week i think at most? Hit me up if you want advice.

I am just here to snuggle and do spy stuff.

Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#23 - 2014-07-03 05:58:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Dun'Gal
Getting that first solo kill is going to be a combination of patience, luck, and as corny as it sounds a "can do" attitude. For myself it didn't take too long but things were different then, can baiting was easy, and managed to get a dummy in a hauler as a result of it. Nothing too amazing but it sets you on the right path. Just keep at it, it will come, you will learn what you can and can't fight - who's using links, who isn't, etc. etc. Also as mentioned already don't bother with high-sec the fights are always in favor of the other guy in some way, just go to fw low sec - you'll find loads of similarly SP'd players looking for people like you to test there mettle against.

PS - I highly recommend the minmatar/amarr warzone in particular.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#24 - 2014-07-03 06:18:27 UTC
See here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3617405#post3617405

There's even a chart.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-07-03 06:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Buck up little camper. First of all, why does it have to be a solo kill? Eve is an MMO, get some friends. The family that murders together stays together. Don't have any friends or are an introvert? No problem, google up some RvB Ganked. Go on their public roams. Although they have fits for each roam they do, you can literally bring anything. If you're not above wrecking your sec status, the New Order is always looking for gankers. Contact John E Normus and he will hook you up with a Catalyst and a non-compliant miner to whack.

But to answer your question, pretty sure it was about 6mo. I wardec'd a one man corp of a guy that annoyed me. Killed him on a gate. It was glorious.

The best one after that though is more instructive. I had already murdered some miners in another corp I dec'd. The CEO came in his Harbinger to the station I had chased one of them too. I let him shoot me a bit and then I docked without agressing. Why? Because I had no freaking idea what a Harbinger was or what kind of guns or damage it could do. Checked the combat log to see what he was shooting me with and Googled. Turned out my Hurricane was a good match so I undocked to give it a go. It was a little more tense than I would have liked, but the Harbinger died and the Hurricane still had a bit of structure left. Later a guy in that same corp taught me that a Dramiel will absolutely wreck a Jaguar. Probably should have learned that before engaging.

My one piece of advice: In hisec and lowsec* you can just about always opt out of taking a fight. So only take ones you think you can win (see above) and stay out of the others.



* Nullsec and wormholes both because of bubbles and whs because of polarization

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Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-07-03 07:27:44 UTC
Nardil Cardizem wrote:
So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating.


Doing it wrong. I got my first solo kill during my trial account autopiloting between systems doing the career agent missions. I was in an rail corm with ungrouped guns and no basic pvp ewar modules. Some condor dueled me so I accepted it not knowing what it does. I basically did what a nomen does when getting chased down by a tackler was that I burned away without even knowing about transversal and angular velocity which helped me apply full DPS.

Of course the moment I joined FW after my trial ended I lost alot of ships but learned alot in return. Someone even picked me up and mentored me to be better at pvp.

So basically you're doing it so wrong even risk averse carebears get more solo kills than you.

On a more serious note:
Looking at your KB you either get blobbed or you pick a fight you can't win at all. Your fittings are also somewhat bad. I suggest you go read some of the pvp mechanics in eve like turrets and how to actually apply dps with them. Also lol at your enyo with damps. The poor thing was just begging to be killed.

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-07-03 07:46:33 UTC
If I ever get a solo kill I'm doing it wrong.

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Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
#28 - 2014-07-03 07:58:55 UTC
Nardil Cardizem wrote:
I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP


You're not trying at all. You're actually doing it.

I wouldn't worry too much to be honest.
If you die and the other guy lives, you should now have 50 statements about tactics.
In your current case something like: if I do X I will not land enough damage. I can deal with that by Y.

If you're having trouble indentifying X and coming up with Y, look for a lowsec pvp corp. The ones that dont drop armies on t1 frigs tend to have people with knowledge about what ship to engage with what and under which circumstances.

As for your question: 2

1 industrial when I grabbed "free" ore from a "helpfull" stranger
1 rifter in a oldschool can drop duel in Hek, Pator or something like that.

I killed his in round two and discovered he wasn't t1 fitted as agreed upon at all!

Aiyshimin
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#29 - 2014-07-03 08:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Aiyshimin
Nardil Cardizem wrote:
So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating.


Looks like it took me 6 months from starting PVP to win my first 1vs1 against another combat ship. I quite enjoyed small gang PVP then when everything was new (coordinated action on voice comms was like the most awesome thing ever :D), and wasn't necessarily looking for solo in the beginning- desire to solo came along later, now I have probably +600 solo kills in everything from scanning frigs to battleships, majority in T1 frigs.

It's not easy until you figure out the most important thing- choosing your fights. Learn all the ships and their typical fighting methods and fits, and don't bang your head to the wall of picking difficult or impossible fights at first. Stick to one ship, or a select few and learn it's stats and how they compare to other ships. You need to know your range, speed and tank on an intuitive level and have a realistic estimate how it would handle against your target. Source the internet, and spend quality time with EFT. Test and practice with NPCs (or test server, if you prefer that), then fly out with a tactic that suits your chosen ship.

Go through your losses and think want went wrong. You can also look at the killboards of the pilots who killed you, and import their fits to EFT and examine them.

I took a quick look at your KB, and in general you seem to favour relatively light tanks (sometimes even no buffer modules at all?), but often complement that with smaller than the biggest guns- to fly Gallente, I'm afraid you need perfect or near perfect fitting skills so you can fit the biggest guns. Or adjust your fits for either more tank or more gank. (ie. always Neutron blasters with light tank, or heavy tank with Electrons). Don't worry about dropping a magstab or DDA for a resist module. Fitting implants will help until you get Advanced Weapon Ugrades V and IV rigging skills, but I still use them all the time.

Learn to warp your pod out when your ship goes down! You lose too many pods in low sec.

Don't be too hard on yourself, your losses are nothing to be shamed of (1vsMany, against veteran pilots in superior ships etc) and you seem to have a knack for experimenting with fits, which is good. Just keep at it, find a fighting style that suits you and become a master of it, and pick your fights a bit more carefully!
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-07-03 08:04:02 UTC
I got my very first kill, which was solo, after a month.

I simply got lucky, Thorax (me) vs. Vexor (him), both noobs, both wannabe ninja mission invaders.


The following month I joined FW, solo, got 80 kills (mostly solo), 120 losses. All frigs.

At the time I could basically play or research PVP all day long. Like 10+ hours/day. Big smile


But, if you're not an unemployed crazy nerd like I was, it's normal to struggle a bit.

Best advice I can give is:

- Study a lot. The internet has a crap ton of EVE PVP resources.

- Don't derp into fights. Have a basic plan on how and why you're gonna win that fight.

- Use FRAPS or an equivalent video-capture software, frig fights are way too fast to fully understand what's going on.

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#31 - 2014-07-03 08:48:27 UTC
I was still rather noobish mining in Tash-Murkon when I managed to kill a can flipper with a badly fitted maller all thanks to my doing lvl 2 missions in it and having learned how to deal with frigates getting up close. Though he ejected and I didn't get a killmail.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#32 - 2014-07-03 09:15:29 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
im going to leave this here for the op http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/03/carebear-to-killer.html
also my first solo kill was hilariously inept,
i was disco balling at the last burn jita (before joining the divils) and i got exited and lit the thing in the middle of a massive heap of batthecruisers and attack battlecruisers (none of which i could kill) and net myself a single probe,
well the 20 odd other pilots i had just failed to kill made my ship pop faster than concord could even get to me.

*Snip* Removed reply to an edited out part of the quoted post. ISD Ezwal.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#33 - 2014-07-03 09:21:43 UTC
My first solo kill? About 3 months after I started this charachter. Before that i was an out and out carebear that had never tried pvp, left high sec or thought beyond Lvl4's and industry for a good year and a half.

Best decision in eve I ever made was nearly quiting but on a spur starting this char to just shoot all the things. This became my main after about 3 months.

As for Dinsdale.... mate you really are a special snowflake aren't you.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2014-07-03 10:14:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Nardil Cardizem wrote:
So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating.



I took the liberty of having a look at your KB.

I think your fits aren't that good, granted i didnt go thruh all of them, only a handful, but it seems to me you can work on them.

Examples, those brawling Enyos and Ishkurs, tankless except for resists. Slap a SAAR on that Enyo mate!

Or a couple tristans i saw, tankless, with a damp, and AB. Not a good combination. For a beginner, always slap some tank on your ships, especially if you go AB and brawl. Damp on a close range boat is pretty useless, on a 3 mid ship untill you really know what you're doing always go prop mod - scram - web


The only fitting i sw that made sense were a dual rep incursus, only dual rep incursus sucks balls and you won't kill anyone 1v1 with it unless he's braindead, simply because you can't hold him there while you plink at with not so great dps


edit: if you need tips or fittings feel free to drop me a message/convo in game. I'm little more than newbro myself but i know a thing or two by now

edit2: also, remember: playing drunk makes for very embarassing loss mails!! Shocked
Ehlana Sing
First Flame Syndicate
#35 - 2014-07-03 10:44:14 UTC
I recently got my first solo pvp kill when someone tracked me down during a mission in low sec, I was in my drake with no intention of engaging in PvP.

Having someone just show up startled me and while I've played on and off since 2008 I've got very limited experience in pvp but I am not shy about flying anywhere ( if I got jumped I got jumped, more surprised it took so long to finally happen) and I'm not going to run away.

So 25 mins later with mission rats shooting at us both his tank finally squeaks out and he pops, warping off in his pod. I had no scram or Web so why he didn't leave I don't know but it was an interesting encounter for me.

Most folk I come across in low or null don't hassle me and I don't hassle them (you could probably class me as some kind of care bear) which works for me cause piracy or ganking just isn't my play style (but I have no problem with folk playing that way , it's thier game too).

So 6 years and I got a solo pvp kill and I'm on 58 mil sp ;)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-07-03 10:50:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Ehlana Sing wrote:
I recently got my first solo pvp kill when someone tracked me down during a mission in low sec, I was in my drake with no intention of engaging in PvP.

Having someone just show up startled me and while I've played on and off since 2008 I've got very limited experience in pvp but I am not shy about flying anywhere ( if I got jumped I got jumped, more surprised it took so long to finally happen) and I'm not going to run away.

So 25 mins later with mission rats shooting at us both his tank finally squeaks out and he pops, warping off in his pod. I had no scram or Web so why he didn't leave I don't know but it was an interesting encounter for me.

Most folk I come across in low or null don't hassle me and I don't hassle them (you could probably class me as some kind of care bear) which works for me cause piracy or ganking just isn't my play style (but I have no problem with folk playing that way , it's thier game too).

So 6 years and I got a solo pvp kill and I'm on 58 mil sp ;)


I know a few soloers who will see a fight through to its bitter end if it's a good one, whether they're tackled or not. Consider me guilty as charged.

Although, if they're using dirty or cheap tactics on you and making the fight crap, you try to get out of there at all costs and blueball them if possible.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#37 - 2014-07-03 11:20:29 UTC
Dunno really, guess i had about 2mill sp, flying a thorax. beeing a old school pirate was great fun back in the day.
If you have 50 losses and no solo kills, your doing something horribly wrong. Get in touch ingame m8.

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Don Pera Saissore
#38 - 2014-07-03 11:52:09 UTC
My first ever kill mail was a fail gank attempt, i don't even count that but i thought i should mention it. My first real kill was a merlin. I say real because it was consensual and i did everything right. That rifter is now parked in a station and will forever have a special place in my hart.

Finding good solo fights is hard especially if you are unsure what you are doing. It's not rare that i wander FW space for 3 hours looking for a suitable fight only to be blobed on a gate.

Solo is the ultimate challenge imo. The felling you get after blowing up a guy in a fair fight...

Eve is hard, soloing eve is even harder. That's why i'm here.
Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#39 - 2014-07-03 12:19:51 UTC
Netan MalDoran wrote:
Took me 3 months of loosing ships before I popped a cyno on a lowsec station in a moa...

...but looking at your KB you seem to have consistent problems:

1: You engage faction frigates in T1 frigates which will usually end in failure (To give perspective, the faction Daredevil gets a 200% damage bonus for its hybrids = MASSIVE DAMAGE!).

2: You engage ships that are much bigger than you. (That one where you got killed by a hurricane + a few others)

3: You engage a group of people, or you aren't fully aware of your surroundings and have a gang drop on you as the 'bait ship' is holding you.

I use a dessie in lowsec and look for lone T1 frigs in relatively empty systems (I may bump this up to attacking faction frigs once I get a feel for my ship).

Don't give up, test multiple ships and setups until you get one that works for you then buy a lot of them and keep learning, if you keep using the same ship, you will learn it's limits and abilities (And hopefully cut down on those loss mails Big smile). (SISI is also good to a degree for testing these fits if you can find someone to fight fairly with).


Killing a cruiser with a frigate is actually pretty easy. Do a spiral approach, hold a tight orbit, and stay under their guns. My first and only solo kill was Frigate vs Cruiser. He got on shot on me on my initial approach, but once I scrambled him, and entered that tight orbit he missed every shot. Took almost a hundred rounds, but I got the kill. You just have to be sure to kill their drones before the ship. Drones and missiles are worst enemy in those kind of engagements.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.

Arla Sarain
#40 - 2014-07-03 13:18:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Nardil Cardizem wrote:
So I have almost 7M SP, and I've lost about 50 ships trying to PVP, and have yet to get one solo kill. I'm honestly ready to quit. How many ships did you lose before you started getting kills? The majority of fights I end up in I can't even seem to get any good damage to the other ship, which is even more frustrating.

This is about a 6 month character. Only just got my first solo kill.

Game isn't tough per say.

But you are at a huge disadvantage against all the more established people with implants, links, alts, skills that allows them to reship into your counter and ton of money.

It is an uphill battle. Which is what makes it so satisfying when you get there.