Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Sig radius does that by being included in the denominator of a fraction in the term to which 0.5 is raised in the chance-to-hit formula. The fact that there is an arbitrary number we call turret sig resolution in the numerator of that fraction is completely irrelevent to the effect sig radius has. Sig radius would still have exactly the same effect if my proposal was implemented as outlined in the OP.

The ratio of turret scan res to target sig radius is a big chunk to the tracking formula and tracking tanking.

You need a power of 6.25 (+-) to drop the chance to around 1%.

To make this extremely easy, ignoring range (assume always within enemy optimal), and focusing just on whats inside those brackets (ignoring the square), you need a total ratio of 1.8 to drop the chance to be hit to 10%.

Now, doing what you're asking to do means that pilots focusing on tracking tanking have to fly so that their angular velocity is 80% faster than enemy tracking.

That's quite challenging. Try orbiting at 500 at max non-prop speed. Few ships can do that, if any at all. First due to agility your 500 orbit is blown up to 800. Then, your speed is about 80-90% of its max speed. You basically hover at around 400m/s at 800m orbit, giving you angular velocity of ~0.5 rad/s.

Hence, enemy tracking has to be 0.27.

Neutrons with void have about 0.35rad/s.

Getting under guns will be very difficult, because cruiser 125 scan res on turrets gives frigates some leeway on how fast they should be to avoid fire.



Please don't do this. Yes, it's a clustrefudge of an equation. But tracking is something that favors those who take the time to understand it. Sig radius and turret resolution included. It's one of those few things that are interesting in a way, and different from all the EFT DPS warriors and people who focus on out DPSing their opponents.
And it's not like all the sources are locked up somewhere - everything is available, and those who want to understand can and should take the time to study the formula and apply it ingame.

Yes it would make understanding the system simpler, but it would not make the game better for it.

And those numbers are less arbitrary than you might think. Turret resolution describes how steep can attacking frigates spiral and how quickly they can approach the victim.

You are right, it would not make the game better, because it would make literally no difference to the game. Apart from making it easier to understand.

Technically there would be no performance change, just a bunch of numbers which no longer make sense compared to performance if we are normalizing sig res.

That's if we are just normalizing, haven't received an answer clarifying that yet.

Edit: that's a yes on the normalizing so he is correct that there is no functional change.

We are removing sig res as a variable. The easiest way to do that, to avoid having to change a bunch of game code, is to make sig res equal for all guns and adjust tracking accordingly. The end result is that the game mechanic is exactly the same as it was before the change--just easier to understand.

You are correct. A large gun with 0.1 tracking will not track as well as a small gun with 0.1 tracking because of the sig res. This is exactly the problem I am trying to solve. By getting rid of sig res and changing the tracking numbers so that the applied tracking (i.e. chance-to-hit) is exactly the same as it was previous to the change (though the tracking stat itself will be different for at least one of the guns), we make no change to the game mechanic but make it easier to understand because there is now only one number to compare (tracking) rather than two (tracking and sig res).

In this brave new world, a gun with tracking 0.1 always has better than a gun with tracking 0.05, while in our current world this may or may not be the case.

Edit: A little clarification.

Because big things are easier to hit.

Edit: This is not an issue that my proposal introduces, this is already the case now.

Great, so what is the relevance of my tracking stat? How does it compare to anything I'm being presented in game?

Yes, it compares to angular velocity. And unlike right now, it compares the same way to angular velocity no matter what size of ship you're flying.

So.... what your saying is you want to nerf target painters. Because thats literally the only effect that this change would have.

And the easy to understand argument. Srsly you cant handle highschool algebra 1 and understand it? Its not hard. Im not even good at math and it seems straightforward. Try explaining to a noob how passive shield tanking works instead.