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Best cost effective gank ship/fit?

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Rascal Jackson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-06-29 22:36:11 UTC
After a long stretch of PvE, and having my cheerios pissed on, I have decided to say screw it, and do a bit of pissing myself. I understand that Catalysts and Thrashers are popular, specifically in gangs, but I am not after profit. I plan to scan down frigs in high sec and pop them, or ambush an explorer in WH/Null. (meaning small ships)

What would be best for this purpose? Since I plan on going on a spree, I would prefer the ships to be reasonably cheap, so I can pop a frig, and move on. Being able to fit a probe launch for scanning would also be a huge boon.

And, along the same line, approximately how many missions will I need to do to repair each gank in highsec? I would prefer to gank for a while, repair sec status, gank more, rinse and repeat.

And, last but not least, out of curiosity, what would I need to drop a Noctis solo in 0.5? Getting tired of their fat asses in Ichoriya...
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2014-06-29 22:39:05 UTC
Rascal Jackson wrote:
After a long stretch of PvE, and having my cheerios pissed on, I have decided to say screw it, and do a bit of pissing myself. I understand that Catalysts and Thrashers are popular, specifically in gangs, but I am not after profit. I plan to scan down frigs in high sec and pop them, or ambush an explorer in WH/Null. (meaning small ships)

What would be best for this purpose? Since I plan on going on a spree, I would prefer the ships to be reasonably cheap, so I can pop a frig, and move on. Being able to fit a probe launch for scanning would also be a huge boon.

And, along the same line, approximately how many missions will I need to do to repair each gank in highsec? I would prefer to gank for a while, repair sec status, gank more, rinse and repeat.

And, last but not least, out of curiosity, what would I need to drop a Noctis solo in 0.5? Getting tired of their fat asses in Ichoriya...


assuming you have wardecks, any assault frigate will do. a stratios or an astero will work as well.

for suicide ganking, no idea. catalysts probably.

in wormholes, forget it. where there is a buzzard, there is a t3 fleet.
Arcelian
0nus
#3 - 2014-06-29 22:41:22 UTC
Rascal Jackson wrote:
After a long stretch of PvE, and having my cheerios pissed on, I have decided to say screw it, and do a bit of pissing myself. I understand that Catalysts and Thrashers are popular, specifically in gangs, but I am not after profit. I plan to scan down frigs in high sec and pop them, or ambush an explorer in WH/Null. (meaning small ships)

What would be best for this purpose? Since I plan on going on a spree, I would prefer the ships to be reasonably cheap, so I can pop a frig, and move on. Being able to fit a probe launch for scanning would also be a huge boon.

And, along the same line, approximately how many missions will I need to do to repair each gank in highsec? I would prefer to gank for a while, repair sec status, gank more, rinse and repeat.

And, last but not least, out of curiosity, what would I need to drop a Noctis solo in 0.5? Getting tired of their fat asses in Ichoriya...


If you are shooting frigs, then catalyst. Anything with blasters really, they are a gankers weapon. Cata's are cheap too.

A noctis is a bit beefier than a frigate, would need more firepower, if you are running solo, I would suggest a Talos at minimum.

The amount of missions needed to repair sec status is hard to answer, are you getting the pod too? What level missions? Pods cost a lot more sec status than ships do IIRC.
Rascal Jackson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-06-29 22:44:09 UTC
No pods, just ships. (and/or mobile platforms) I was hoping for a brief breakdown on the missions. Lets say level 2-3, so I can blitz it more effectively.

Also, no wardecs. Anyone that gets scanned down.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-06-29 22:59:50 UTC
Rascal Jackson wrote:
No pods, just ships. (and/or mobile platforms) I was hoping for a brief breakdown on the missions. Lets say level 2-3, so I can blitz it more effectively.

If I'm not mistaken, the missions themselves won't raise your sec status. Rather, it's the most dangerous rat you have killed in system during a bounty period. So your best bet to raise sec status is to roam through null sec, killing a single rat battleship in each system. You can do the same in low/high, but then you're looking a cruisers and frigs.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#6 - 2014-06-29 23:03:48 UTC
Most cost effective depends a bit on situation RE: suicide ganking

At a Ice field, AB, deadpsace pocket, or a mission where NPC rats are not a thing - the catalyst. You can get nearly 800 DPS out of it in a few months of maxing skills and getting some shiny implants.

At a station, gate, or in a mission where you have to take some DPS - the thrasher. Not as much DPS as the mighty catalyst but easy enough to tank those sentry guns or a few mission rats long enough to deal some damage.

Hope that helps. RE: fits - just use google. They are all over. A skilled player using a catalyst and the right implants can fly this:

http://puu.sh/9PSWp/066e11585b.jpg

I don't use the thrasher much, but you could start with something like this:

http://puu.sh/9PSZL/d7b227f9e8.jpg
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-06-29 23:07:08 UTC
A meta 1 fit Catalyst is the most cost efficient, but you will need friends or multiple accounts. Or you could use T1 Vexors & gank haulers which requires 3 accounts to do effectively (or 2 friends) & you can just buy back your sec status.

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admiral root
Red Galaxy
#8 - 2014-06-29 23:09:07 UTC
Rascal Jackson wrote:
After a long stretch of PvE, and having my cheerios pissed on, I have decided to say screw it, and do a bit of pissing myself.


I commend you on your attitude of doing something about things rather than whining on the forum. If only more players would take this approach.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#9 - 2014-06-29 23:18:22 UTC
admiral root wrote:


I commend you on your attitude of doing something about things rather than whining on the forum. If only more players would take this approach.


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Pix Severus
Empty You
#10 - 2014-06-29 23:32:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pix Severus
Rascal Jackson wrote:
And, along the same line, approximately how many missions will I need to do to repair each gank in highsec? I would prefer to gank for a while, repair sec status, gank more, rinse and repeat.


Remember that you are going to have killrights against you when you gank. Maybe it isn't such a great idea to run a mission in an expensive battleship when you can be turned suspect at any time.

The skill Fast Talk will help you gain sec status faster, if you really care about it. Also you can always repair your sec status (up to 0) by using security tags that you hand into CONCORD stations in lowsec.

Try ganking with -5 sec or lower though, its more challenging, but doable.

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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#11 - 2014-06-30 00:20:19 UTC  |  Edited by: BuckStrider
Pix Severus wrote:
Rascal Jackson wrote:
And, along the same line, approximately how many missions will I need to do to repair each gank in highsec? I would prefer to gank for a while, repair sec status, gank more, rinse and repeat.


Remember that you are going to have killrights against you when you gank. Maybe it isn't such a great idea to run a mission in an expensive battleship when you can be turned suspect at any time.

The skill Fast Talk will help you gain sec status faster, if you really care about it. Also you can always repair your sec status (up to 0) by using security tags that you hand into CONCORD stations in lowsec.

Try ganking with -5 sec or lower though, its more challenging, but doable.


Killrights mean that you get to kill the same guy over and over again, without any penalty, if he's stupid enough to take that first shot.Pirate

Ganking with a -5 or lower (who cares at this point) is easily doable with an alt and properly placed BM's.

Now that I think about it, I can see being -10 and setting up a staging/bait POS with the new HS POS rules.

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BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#12 - 2014-06-30 01:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: BuckStrider
Rascal Jackson wrote:
After a long stretch of PvE, and having my cheerios pissed on, I have decided to say screw it, and do a bit of pissing myself. I understand that Catalysts and Thrashers are popular, specifically in gangs, but I am not after profit. I plan to scan down frigs in high sec and pop them, or ambush an explorer in WH/Null. (meaning small ships)

What would be best for this purpose? Since I plan on going on a spree, I would prefer the ships to be reasonably cheap, so I can pop a frig, and move on. Being able to fit a probe launch for scanning would also be a huge boon.

And, along the same line, approximately how many missions will I need to do to repair each gank in highsec? I would prefer to gank for a while, repair sec status, gank more, rinse and repeat.

And, last but not least, out of curiosity, what would I need to drop a Noctis solo in 0.5? Getting tired of their fat asses in Ichoriya...



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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#13 - 2014-06-30 03:33:44 UTC
Op. Do you have a second account? A cloaky warpin point is always a great advantage to have.

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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

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Rascal Jackson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-06-30 05:47:49 UTC
I do have a second account, but due to being on a laptop with terrible specs, dual boxing is fairly out of the question. I am hoping to pop people that are missioning. I would like to set up shop near popular level 1/2 missions, and pop what I can.
Serene Repose
#15 - 2014-06-30 06:00:27 UTC
"A security status gain occurs for the HIGHEST value outlaw NPC you kill within a 15 minute time period PER SYSTEM.

Each rat is worth a certain security percentage. In general, the harder the rat is to kill, the higher it is. You can get a good sense of what type of increase you are going to get by looking at the bounty associated with the rat."*

*EVE Uni Repairing Security Status

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2014-06-30 07:02:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Serene Repose wrote:
"A security status gain occurs for the HIGHEST value outlaw NPC you kill within a 15 minute time period PER SYSTEM.

Each rat is worth a certain security percentage. In general, the harder the rat is to kill, the higher it is. You can get a good sense of what type of increase you are going to get by looking at the bounty associated with the rat."*

*EVE Uni Repairing Security Status


That's outdated by nearly a year. It's now 5 minutes, but you get about 35% less of a sec raise. It's also not on a per system basis anymore.

EVE Uni really need to get around to fixing that, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.

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ISD Alliance
#17 - 2014-06-30 07:54:47 UTC
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Solecist Project
#18 - 2014-06-30 08:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Most cost effective depends a bit on situation RE: suicide ganking

At a Ice field, AB, deadpsace pocket, or a mission where NPC rats are not a thing - the catalyst. You can get nearly 800 DPS out of it in a few months of maxing skills and getting some shiny implants.

At a station, gate, or in a mission where you have to take some DPS - the thrasher. Not as much DPS as the mighty catalyst but easy enough to tank those sentry guns or a few mission rats long enough to deal some damage.

Hope that helps. RE: fits - just use google. They are all over. A skilled player using a catalyst and the right implants can fly this:

http://puu.sh/9PSWp/066e11585b.jpg

I don't use the thrasher much, but you could start with something like this:

http://puu.sh/9PSZL/d7b227f9e8.jpg


I just realized it uses ACs. That's crap.
You'll do less damage than with Artillery that way under sentry fire
plus have the disadvantage of shorf range,
which s worse than tracking issues with Artillery.

That's a variant of my double volley thrasher d400 started to use, basically.

Switch the gyro for a 200mm plate,
the rigs for a coll and/or burst rig depending on skill,
drop a MSE for a sebo ...
... and you get my tripple volley thrasher.

Works reliably up to 0.7 and 0.8 probably too, but I can't recall anymore.

It's a bit skill intensive, though. AWU helps, but isn't a necessity iirc.

Damage output of a 280mm t2 thrasher at a fraction of the cost.


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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#19 - 2014-06-30 08:16:21 UTC
You can go hunting explorers in lowsec and nullsec but you need something cloaky. Astero will kill most explorers.

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Deebo Singleton
#20 - 2014-07-01 18:22:22 UTC
Zappity wrote:
You can go hunting explorers in lowsec and nullsec but you need something cloaky. Astero will kill most explorers.


In this vein, pi alts are also popular in lowsec, especially in border systems. I like to throw a cloak on my ship and park off a popular poco when i'm not otherwise occupied and note the traffic. On a good week you can peg dumb PI alts repeatedly and moonwalk away with the goods. I had a sweet little Russian man swearing to the blood moon that he would **** my corpse last weekend after the third gank of his untanked badger alt.
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