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Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#21 - 2014-06-30 17:10:16 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
If your going to conduct "Guerrilla Warfare", the first thing you need to do is find & read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. This book contains all the info you need to strike out at your enemies. SuperCap Blobs have vulnerabilities.... exploit them!

i had a look and apparently you need to set ee's tents on fire, mineer

so, uh, go and find those tents. watch out for the chinese dudes on horses. with bows and arrows.


In a manner of speaking, yes. Always be observant of your terrain as well. The Mighty Supercap Blobs are not invincible, they cost resources to deploy. You can count on the fleet pilots to be miserable as well. The small guerrilla force is highly mobile, and fast. The SuperBlob is an overly large, unwieldy hammer. Use this to your advantage.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2014-06-30 17:24:00 UTC
Crazy Mineer wrote:
So how does a smaller alliance deal bigger entities like EE and SYJ, for instance when we roam in small gang they 100% bridge a fleet and caps on us, and infact yesterday they were kind enough to drop 3 supers on our tier3 gang I'm wondering how could a smaller entity take on bigger cap entities without bat phoning and without sufficient caps ourselves some sort of guerrilla warfare? Pirate


1) Join them.

2) Put in place 2 year plan to destroy them from the inside.

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-06-30 17:30:59 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.


No, the enemy of my enemy is the guy I'm going to use to bait my enemy so I can shoot my enemy in the back while he's distracted.

When I'm done with my enemy, I'll kill the bait before he can attack me.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#24 - 2014-06-30 17:39:27 UTC
Dalto Bane wrote:
The enemy of your enemy is your friend.


The enemy of my enemy is the guy who is pretending to be my enemy's enemy so I will be friendly to them in the hope I expose a weakness

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#25 - 2014-06-30 19:38:29 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
If your going to conduct "Guerrilla Warfare", the first thing you need to do is find & read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. This book contains all the info you need to strike out at your enemies. SuperCap Blobs have vulnerabilities.... exploit them!

i had a look and apparently you need to set ee's tents on fire, mineer

so, uh, go and find those tents. watch out for the chinese dudes on horses. with bows and arrows.


In a manner of speaking, yes. Always be observant of your terrain as well. The Mighty Supercap Blobs are not invincible, they cost resources to deploy. You can count on the fleet pilots to be miserable as well. The small guerrilla force is highly mobile, and fast. The SuperBlob is an overly large, unwieldy hammer. Use this to your advantage.

Yes, I advise using your fast ishtar fleets to reinforce multiple POS.

You must not go near it when the timer is about to end though, as there'll likely be a fleet of carriers on it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Haaranovor tenn
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2014-06-30 19:51:37 UTC
Diablo Ex wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
If your going to conduct "Guerrilla Warfare", the first thing you need to do is find & read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. This book contains all the info you need to strike out at your enemies. SuperCap Blobs have vulnerabilities.... exploit them!

i had a look and apparently you need to set ee's tents on fire, mineer

so, uh, go and find those tents. watch out for the chinese dudes on horses. with bows and arrows.


In a manner of speaking, yes. Always be observant of your terrain as well. The Mighty Supercap Blobs are not invincible, they cost resources to deploy. You can count on the fleet pilots to be miserable as well. The small guerrilla force is highly mobile, and fast. The SuperBlob is an overly large, unwieldy hammer. Use this to your advantage.




The super blob just has to sit at anything you reo, let the triage rep it, then go home.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2014-07-01 00:01:36 UTC
Drop siphons on all of their good moons & pur AFK cloakers in the systems of their renters. You can't straight up fight them, but you can affect their income streams.

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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-07-01 01:56:00 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Drop siphons on all of their good moons & pur AFK cloakers in the systems of their renters. You can't straight up fight them, but you can affect their income streams.


Anti-nullbear tactics don't work in lowsec.

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Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#29 - 2014-07-01 02:23:39 UTC
Haaranovor tenn wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
If your going to conduct "Guerrilla Warfare", the first thing you need to do is find & read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. This book contains all the info you need to strike out at your enemies. SuperCap Blobs have vulnerabilities.... exploit them!

i had a look and apparently you need to set ee's tents on fire, mineer

so, uh, go and find those tents. watch out for the chinese dudes on horses. with bows and arrows.


In a manner of speaking, yes. Always be observant of your terrain as well. The Mighty Supercap Blobs are not invincible, they cost resources to deploy. You can count on the fleet pilots to be miserable as well. The small guerrilla force is highly mobile, and fast. The SuperBlob is an overly large, unwieldy hammer. Use this to your advantage.




The super blob just has to sit at anything you reo, let the triage rep it, then go home.


Certainly, and while the super blob is there.... you can be elsewhere Big smile
They can't be everywhere at once can they?
How many days of continuous CTA's sitting there in numerous systems doing boring triage, listening to the fleet grumble about no fights, until they start to miss a few? Then you hit the one they miss with a few volleys, convince them that there is a fight and then jump out again. Cat & mouse. Sure you may lose a ship here & there, but you can wear down morale and their endurance. Keep the Superblob continuously logged on 23/7 chasing ghosts and burning fuel.

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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2014-07-01 02:24:16 UTC
Well first you have to have them properly measured. If you don't know the proper size ordering the right... What? Oh... Uhh... Never mind.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#31 - 2014-07-01 02:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Diablo Ex wrote:
Haaranovor tenn wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Diablo Ex wrote:
If your going to conduct "Guerrilla Warfare", the first thing you need to do is find & read "The Art of War" by Sun Tzu. This book contains all the info you need to strike out at your enemies. SuperCap Blobs have vulnerabilities.... exploit them!

i had a look and apparently you need to set ee's tents on fire, mineer

so, uh, go and find those tents. watch out for the chinese dudes on horses. with bows and arrows.


In a manner of speaking, yes. Always be observant of your terrain as well. The Mighty Supercap Blobs are not invincible, they cost resources to deploy. You can count on the fleet pilots to be miserable as well. The small guerrilla force is highly mobile, and fast. The SuperBlob is an overly large, unwieldy hammer. Use this to your advantage.




The super blob just has to sit at anything you reo, let the triage rep it, then go home.


Certainly, and while the super blob is there.... you can be elsewhere Big smile
They can't be everywhere at once can they?
How many days of continuous CTA's sitting there in numerous systems doing boring triage, listening to the fleet grumble about no fights, until they start to miss a few? Then you hit the one they miss with a few volleys, convince them that there is a fight and then jump out again. Cat & mouse. Sure you may lose a ship here & there, but you can wear down morale and their endurance. Keep the Superblob continuously logged on 23/7 chasing ghosts and burning fuel.

A few volleys of what, pos reinforcing megaammo?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#32 - 2014-07-01 03:36:21 UTC
Harry Forever would know what to do.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Solitaire Project
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-07-01 05:47:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Solitaire Project
I refuse to post what I think about bigger entities and how I should deal with them.

Instead, I ask...


With my bare hands?

Could I hurt it? What if I grab it
and it rubs along my hands ?


Will I rub it too hard?
Do I need oil, to handle it better?


To make it more squishy in my hands,
so it slides along my palms and fingers?


What if it's hard? Like wood!
Could I accidentially .. break it? O:


Wow, that must hurt! :O

White light, shining bright!
JackknifedII
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#34 - 2014-07-01 08:29:58 UTC
There's nothing terribly bad about LowSechnaya Sholupen in Aridia or any entity larger than you. Just make sure when you are roaming anywhere you keep moving, don't take obvious bait and don't hang around too long and do 75% of your pvp in the fitting screen and fleet comp.

Unless you wan't to deal with larger entities by roaming somewhere where you are the largest and most powerful entity? In which case you will likely come a cropper when your new neighbors exploit your new found complacency.

Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-07-01 09:56:13 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Drop siphons on all of their good moons & pur AFK cloakers in the systems of their renters. You can't straight up fight them, but you can affect their income streams.


Anti-nullbear tactics don't work in lowsec.


Are you telling me there are no moons available for mining in lowsec?

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Lazy Eagle
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-07-02 00:23:01 UTC
How did I miss this thread? Lugia3. Dude. Tell me next time bro.

Anyway OP, i know it's us you are talking about and all. Which is fun.

Here's my advice; if you do not have the military hand to play, you go for a strong diplomatic hand. I'm not unreasonable bro.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2014-07-02 00:49:27 UTC
Lazy Eagle wrote:
How did I miss this thread? Lugia3. Dude. Tell me next time bro.

Anyway OP, i know it's us you are talking about and all. Which is fun.

Here's my advice; if you do not have the military hand to play, you go for a strong diplomatic hand. I'm not unreasonable bro.


pfff.

OP, do what my corp did to the old NC when we lived in Venal for several years. Small gangs (1-10 people) in fast ships using hit and run tactics. We turned venal into the Afghanistan of EVE for several years where the big empires went to die.
Deebo Singleton
#38 - 2014-07-02 03:00:22 UTC
1. Watchlist appropriate duders, especial the super pilots.
2. Locate batphone, let some appropriate folks know there are hotdrop-happy bros for dunking on a regular basis.
3. Get multipul FC's in as many timezones as you can, lead multipul dikops into any soft assets they've got as often as you can.
4. Have anyone with a spare alt account to burn try to infiltrate for intel
5. Find someone who hates them as much as you do to assist with the above.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#39 - 2014-07-02 04:58:23 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Lazy Eagle wrote:
How did I miss this thread? Lugia3. Dude. Tell me next time bro.

Anyway OP, i know it's us you are talking about and all. Which is fun.

Here's my advice; if you do not have the military hand to play, you go for a strong diplomatic hand. I'm not unreasonable bro.


pfff.

OP, do what my corp did to the old NC when we lived in Venal for several years. Small gangs (1-10 people) in fast ships using hit and run tactics. We turned venal into the Afghanistan of EVE for several years where the big empires went to die.

So.. interceptor gangs that gank ratters all day?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Oxide Ammar
#40 - 2014-07-02 05:42:40 UTC
Crazy Mineer wrote:
So how does a smaller alliance deal bigger entities like EE and SYJ, for instance when we roam in small gang they 100% bridge a fleet and caps on us, and infact yesterday they were kind enough to drop 3 supers on our tier3 gang I'm wondering how could a smaller entity take on bigger cap entities without bat phoning and without sufficient caps ourselves some sort of guerrilla warfare? Pirate


It doesn't mean that TMC published and article regarding Force projection you need to start thread complaining about same issue.

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