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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#41 - 2014-06-26 18:02:50 UTC
TharOkha wrote:

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Arrogant? Really?

Way to take a joking comment 20.000 lightyears out of proportion and turn it into a discussion about poverty Roll

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Prince Kobol
#42 - 2014-06-26 18:26:59 UTC
I cant wait until Plex prices hit a billion.. the tears will be stunning
Xasnevian
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#43 - 2014-06-26 18:49:48 UTC
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-06-26 19:09:12 UTC
Eve is cheap for some, expensive for guys like me. But I'm willing to put in the extra effort for it. At the end of the day I'm playing in the same universe as the next chap, so it's all good.

Also, people need to learn not be so thin-skinned on the Internet, and in GD of all places.

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Noriko Mai
#45 - 2014-06-26 22:24:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Noriko Mai
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
As an atheist and a redditor the unchecked privilege in this thread is offensive and disgusting.

Is redditor the new word for re.tarded? I have problems to keep up with all this new fancy words...

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#46 - 2014-06-26 22:30:13 UTC
Dear GD:

Enough. Enough of the plex threads, just stop.

The price is player controlled, with the exception of ccp adding services and or offsetting a bubble. They will rise till players decide its too high then stabilize. Stop asking. Stop worrying. Sheesh.

Note this will not be my response to EVERY single plex price thread I see form here on out.

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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-06-26 22:39:06 UTC
This Poll is to see if the increase in plex prices has caused you to cancel any of your accounts or convert from using plex to paying for your sub on a monthly basis.

This is not a debate on anything but the effect it has had on your accounts. I do not care about in game item cost ships LP ect.
I do not care about isk sinks or isk faucets just a simple yes or no.


http://vote.pollcode.com/65338942
xXxXxXxXxXxX Orti
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#48 - 2014-06-26 23:14:31 UTC
wow opened up a bag of worms here i guess. interesting points though.

Someone somewhere must be doing some sort of market research to find out I guess this comes down to CCP knowing about their customers and whether or not they know what the price of plex equates to in isk.

Anyway sorry for coming to the board and opening up what looks like to be a controversial topic
Marsha Mallow
#49 - 2014-06-26 23:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Marsha Mallow
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I too "live in the west", but don't make value judgement calls on how people should live outside of Eve.

This tbh. Not having a go at any of the earlier posters, but I'm a bit sick of people telling those who complain about plex prices "Well, you should have other priorities then, like making some money". We don't all grind for hours to sub. We don't all have families to feed. Stop projecting on us. Some of us don't care about being filthy rich IRL. I'd rather play Eve than die of heart failure after 30 years grinding RL money and sat staring mindlessly at a TV to relax.

Thar was trying to explain that global income disparities make subs more expensive in some parts of the world. It's not as if that can be changed, even if you did go out and work every hour you can. People still want some downtime to relax, or are we suggesting here that only wealthy western players with a credit card should be allowed to play? I've seen plenty of people who have either just lost their jobs or are going through a rocky patch IRL spend time ingame as a form of escapism and a distraction from whatever they are dealing with. That's their business, and not for anyone else to judge.

I'm a mature student who won't see my income rise for the next few years, but I still play. Sometimes I pay, sometimes I plex. It's part of my 'mini-game' to try to plex, and it's not for anyone else to tell me how to spend my time IRL or ingame.

The Plex whines are annoying, but so are some of the responses from people here. The stupidest response is the one where people remark how much they make IRL vs one account. If you have one account you're a scrub. Sorry.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#50 - 2014-06-26 23:21:40 UTC
xXxXxXxXxXxX Orti wrote:
wow opened up a bag of worms here i guess. interesting points though.

Someone somewhere must be doing some sort of market research to find out I guess this comes down to CCP knowing about their customers and whether or not they know what the price of plex equates to in isk.

Anyway sorry for coming to the board and opening up what looks like to be a controversial topic


not controversial, just a dead, beaten to a bloody pulp, then beaten again till its just a red stain... then beaten again, then found a necromancey to regenerate it, and then beaten to a bloody pulp again horse.

Remember kids, search is your friend =)

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-06-26 23:29:16 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
xXxXxXxXxXxX Orti wrote:
wow opened up a bag of worms here i guess. interesting points though.

Someone somewhere must be doing some sort of market research to find out I guess this comes down to CCP knowing about their customers and whether or not they know what the price of plex equates to in isk.

Anyway sorry for coming to the board and opening up what looks like to be a controversial topic


not controversial, just a dead, beaten to a bloody pulp, then beaten again till its just a red stain... then beaten again, then found a necromancey to regenerate it, and then beaten to a bloody pulp again horse.

Remember kids, search is your friend =)


Its really a vet versus noobie things.

For a vet PLEX even at a billion will generally be almost pocket money unless they continually pour ISK into PvP ships.

For a new player trying (stupidly) to PLEX in the first 3 months for whom even 100 mill is a lot of ISK it is almost unattainable unless you happen to be very good at scamming and station trading.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#52 - 2014-06-26 23:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Looking at the average sell order for plex over the past 6 years and compare to overall PCU for those same times:

2008-6-26: N/A----------------------------------PCU: 23718---------------------Empyrean Age
2008-11-18: 309 Mil----------------------------PCU: 25151 (Δ =+1433)----Quantum Rise
2009-6-26: 400 Mil (Δ =+91 Mil)-----------PCU: 28363 (Δ =+3121)----Apocrypha
2010-6-26: 308 Mil (Δ = -92 Mil)-----------PCU: 32695 (Δ =+4332)----Tyrannis
2011-6-26: 393 Mil (Δ = +85 Mil)----------PCU: 31884 (Δ =-811)-------Incarna
2012-6-26: 498 Mil (Δ = +105 Mil)--------PCU: 28464 (Δ =-3420)-----Inferno
2013-6-26: 558 Mil (Δ = +60 Mil)----------PCU: 33124 (Δ =+4660)----Odyssey
2014-6-26: 750 Mil (Δ = +192 Mil)--------PCU: 28402 (Δ =-4722)-----Kronos

Price History Data was taken from Eve Markets, PCU data was taken from Eve-Offline. Eve-Markets does not have a full data set for 2008, so the earliest date was used. All other data was sampled for 6-26 (today's date).


If you look at the overall history of plex prices, it stays squarely in the 300-400 Mil Range when PCU is experiencing a growing trend.

When PCU stagnates (around 30,000 give or take) the Price of Plex starts climbing by about 100 Mil per year. Local fluctuations can decrease this (as in 2013) or increase it (as in 2014), but the overall trend looks like an increase of 100 mil a year.

Quantum Rise, Apocrypha, and Inferno preceded the largest uptick in PCU. These same expansions preceded the periods of greatest price-stability in recent history. Δ =+91 Mil followed by Δ = -92 Mil [i.e. the market corrected itself] For Quantum Rise and Subsequently Apocrypha and Δ = +60 Mil following Inferno.

TL; DR:

An active and growing player base combined with successful and popular expansions seems to lead to plex price stability. Granted, this data is very, very rough around the edges so this is a tenuous conclusion at best.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#53 - 2014-06-26 23:36:29 UTC
And i'll add this: plex is not that hard to earn, there are plently of activites that are fun to some that can easily net you the 750m isk now? you need in a very short time.

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DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#54 - 2014-06-26 23:40:47 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Looking at the average sell order for plex over the past 6 years and compare to overall PCU for those same times:

2008-6-26: N/A----------------------------------PCU: 23718---------------------Empyrean Age
2008-11-18: 309 Mil----------------------------PCU: 25151 (Δ =+1433)----Quantum Rise
2009-6-26: 400 Mil (Δ =+91 Mil)-----------PCU: 28363 (Δ =+3121)----Apocrypha
2010-6-26: 308 Mil (Δ = -92 Mil)-----------PCU: 32695 (Δ =+4332)----Tyrannis
2011-6-26: 393 Mil (Δ = +85 Mil)----------PCU: 31884 (Δ =-811)-------Incarna
2012-6-26: 498 Mil (Δ = +105 Mil)--------PCU: 28464 (Δ =-3420)-----Inferno
2013-6-26: 558 Mil (Δ = +60 Mil)----------PCU: 33124 (Δ =+4660)----Odyssey
2014-6-26: 750 Mil (Δ = +192 Mil)--------PCU: 28402 (Δ =-4722)-----Kronos

Price History Data was taken from Eve Markets, PCU data was taken from Eve-Offline. Eve-Markets does not have a full data set for 2008, so the earliest date was used. All other data was sampled for 6-26 (today's date).


If you look at the overall history of plex prices, it stays squarely in the 300-400 Mil Range when PCU is experiencing a growing trend.

When PCU stagnates (around 30,000 give or take) the Price of Plex starts climbing by about 100 Mil per year. Local fluctuations can decrease this (as in 2013) or increase it (as in 2014), but the overall trend looks like an increase of 100 mil a year.

Quantum Rise, Apocrypha, and Inferno preceded the largest uptick in PCU. These same expansions preceded the periods of greatest price-stability in recent history. Δ =+91 Mil followed by Δ = -92 Mil [i.e. the market corrected itself] For Quantum Rise and Subsequently Apocrypha and Δ = +60 Mil following Inferno.

TL; DR:

An active and growing player base combined with successful and popular expansions seems to lead to plex price stability. Granted, this data is very, very rough around the edges so this is a tenuous conclusion at best.



My guess is supply and demand, as new and old players come/return to the fold they may buy plex from ccp/3rd party and sell to get a quick jolt of cash, the more people supplying the more it will be stable. But when players drop, some of these could be plex sellers, so less supply, and the price rises. Other factors ofc contribute, as in ccp adding new services that can use plex, thus creating more demand then supply can justifiably keep up with.

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xXxXxXxXxXxX Orti
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#55 - 2014-06-26 23:53:07 UTC
I would call myself a vet but to pay 1b a plex is getting on the steep side, even 750m, for me, who works is a difficult task. Granted this isn't everyones lifestyle.
xXxXxXxXxXxX Orti
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-06-26 23:55:24 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Looking at the average sell order for plex over the past 6 years and compare to overall PCU for those same times:

2008-6-26: N/A----------------------------------PCU: 23718---------------------Empyrean Age
2008-11-18: 309 Mil----------------------------PCU: 25151 (Δ =+1433)----Quantum Rise
2009-6-26: 400 Mil (Δ =+91 Mil)-----------PCU: 28363 (Δ =+3121)----Apocrypha
2010-6-26: 308 Mil (Δ = -92 Mil)-----------PCU: 32695 (Δ =+4332)----Tyrannis
2011-6-26: 393 Mil (Δ = +85 Mil)----------PCU: 31884 (Δ =-811)-------Incarna
2012-6-26: 498 Mil (Δ = +105 Mil)--------PCU: 28464 (Δ =-3420)-----Inferno
2013-6-26: 558 Mil (Δ = +60 Mil)----------PCU: 33124 (Δ =+4660)----Odyssey
2014-6-26: 750 Mil (Δ = +192 Mil)--------PCU: 28402 (Δ =-4722)-----Kronos

Price History Data was taken from Eve Markets, PCU data was taken from Eve-Offline. Eve-Markets does not have a full data set for 2008, so the earliest date was used. All other data was sampled for 6-26 (today's date).


If you look at the overall history of plex prices, it stays squarely in the 300-400 Mil Range when PCU is experiencing a growing trend.

When PCU stagnates (around 30,000 give or take) the Price of Plex starts climbing by about 100 Mil per year. Local fluctuations can decrease this (as in 2013) or increase it (as in 2014), but the overall trend looks like an increase of 100 mil a year.

Quantum Rise, Apocrypha, and Inferno preceded the largest uptick in PCU. These same expansions preceded the periods of greatest price-stability in recent history. Δ =+91 Mil followed by Δ = -92 Mil [i.e. the market corrected itself] For Quantum Rise and Subsequently Apocrypha and Δ = +60 Mil following Inferno.

TL; DR:

An active and growing player base combined with successful and popular expansions seems to lead to plex price stability. Granted, this data is very, very rough around the edges so this is a tenuous conclusion at best.



My guess is supply and demand, as new and old players come/return to the fold they may buy plex from ccp/3rd party and sell to get a quick jolt of cash, the more people supplying the more it will be stable. But when players drop, some of these could be plex sellers, so less supply, and the price rises. Other factors ofc contribute, as in ccp adding new services that can use plex, thus creating more demand then supply can justifiably keep up with.


If i take this argument the other way are you saying that the amount of new subs isn't growing anymore?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2014-06-26 23:56:32 UTC
xXxXxXxXxXxX Orti wrote:
I would call myself a vet but to pay 1b a plex is getting on the steep side, even 750m, for me, who works is a difficult task. Granted this isn't everyones lifestyle.


If you call yourself a vet & still have to slave it up for your isk then I don't know what to tell you.

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The Initiative.
#58 - 2014-06-27 00:13:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Seraph Essael
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
I too "live in the west", but don't make value judgement calls on how people should live outside of Eve.

This tbh. Not having a go at any of the earlier posters, but I'm a bit sick of people telling those who complain about plex prices "Well, you should have other priorities then, like making some money". We don't all grind for hours to sub. We don't all have families to feed. Stop projecting on us. Some of us don't care about being filthy rich IRL. I'd rather play Eve than die of heart failure after 30 years grinding RL money and sat staring mindlessly at a TV to relax.

Thar was trying to explain that global income disparities make subs more expensive in some parts of the world. It's not as if that can be changed, even if you did go out and work every hour you can. People still want some downtime to relax, or are we suggesting here that only wealthy western players with a credit card should be allowed to play? I've seen plenty of people who have either just lost their jobs or are going through a rocky patch IRL spend time ingame as a form of escapism and a distraction from whatever they are dealing with. That's their business, and not for anyone else to judge.

I'm a mature student who won't see my income rise for the next few years, but I still play. Sometimes I pay, sometimes I plex. It's part of my 'mini-game' to try to plex, and it's not for anyone else to tell me how to spend my time IRL or ingame.

The Plex whines are annoying, but so are some of the responses from people here. The stupidest response is the one where people remark how much they make IRL vs one account. If you have one account you're a scrub. Sorry.

That whole reply was fantastic, especially the bit where you become a massive hypocrite.
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Stop projecting on us.

Marsha Mallow wrote:
It's part of my 'mini-game' to try to plex, and it's not for anyone else to tell me how to spend my time IRL or ingame.

Marsha Mallow wrote:
If you have one account you're a scrub. Sorry.


Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from but if you are grinding for hours to make ISK you're doing something wrong. There plenty of ways to make ISK in game where you dont have to grind for days at a time, Station Trade, Wormhole daytrip (scan a wormhole, run the sites for an hour twice a week or whatever) are the two that immediately come to mind. And sure if you just want to PvP all the time then fine, but somewhere down the line you have to make some sort of income.

As for RL issues vs Ingame issues, it becomes an issue when ingame issues affect you in RL (like my friend who I mentioned on page two).

I work, I also currently study a degree, I have time for fun in Eve and I set two hours a week where I earn ISK. (I don't know if you understand what I mean by that at all, but it makes sense in my head) Big smile

I'm not going to edit it out, no point, but I didn't mean that to come across as dickish as it sounded haha Cool

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Marsha Mallow
#59 - 2014-06-27 00:49:29 UTC
Seraph Essael wrote:
That whole reply was fantastic, especially the bit where you become a massive hypocrite.

Don't get me wrong, I understand where you're coming from but if you are grinding for hours to make ISK you're doing something wrong. There plenty of ways to make ISK in game where you dont have to grind for days at a time, Station Trade, Wormhole daytrip (scan a wormhole, run the sites for an hour twice a week or whatever) are the two that immediately come to mind. And sure if you just want to PvP all the time then fine, but somewhere down the line you have to make some sort of income.

As for RL issues vs Ingame issues, it becomes an issue when ingame issues affect you in RL (like my friend who I mentioned on page two).

I work, I also currently study a degree, I have time for fun in Eve and I set two hours a week where I earn ISK. (I don't know if you understand what I mean by that at all, but it makes sense in my head) Big smile

I doubt you are understand where I'm coming from. I don't grind ISK ingame, ever. Plex prices are still relevant to my activities. Those who are complaining are partly speculating about inflation, which isn't unreasonable. There's only Potato so far who made any real effort to explain causes. The rest is just people jeering and complaining over the topic, which as I say, they could just skip if it doesn't affect them v0v

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-06-27 01:09:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Hi everyone!

I'm one of those people that buys PLEX from CCP and sells it in-game, and manipulates the market whenever possible to keep prices high so I can make a lot of isk.

Umad? Twisted

I then gamble all the isk I make away on Somer Blink because reasons.

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