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Stratios: how is it working out?
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La'Krul
HolyTrident
Tactical Narcotics Team
#21 - 2014-06-17 06:54:54 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
La'Krul wrote:
The smallish drone bays makes this ship unviable for exploration combat sites in my opinion. Why would you ever use it over an Ishtar?

I could see it still being a very effective explorer hunter but that's about it. If the decent sized drone bay is ever returned to it then I might start flying it


Issue isn't the bay, which is quite fine. Issue is bandwidth.

And while the obvious answer is that you'd use it because you want to have a covops cloak, I agree that for exploration I'd generally rather have an Ishtar.


Yes, that's right of course. I misspoke.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#22 - 2014-06-25 21:09:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Sooooo, basically:

They pre-nerfed it?

****'s sakes, man :(

Oh well, I'm still getting one, and will do my utmost to make it work --that CovCloak, I just cannot resist those no matter how I try.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#23 - 2014-06-25 23:37:43 UTC
The main problem with the Stratios is that it's pretty much directly competing with the Ishtar in terms of completing sites, sure it has the CovOps cloak and scan bonus, but many people have scan alts and you can also fit a cloak/probe launcher on an Ishtar and easily scan down most sites. Ishtar is pretty the best ship in Eve right now so it's not that the Stratios is bad or anything, but it's just trying to compete with the best ship in the meta.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#24 - 2014-06-26 00:07:10 UTC
The Stratios is easier to skill up for of course. The Ishtar is a HAC.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#25 - 2014-06-26 03:12:31 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The Stratios is easier to skill up for of course. The Ishtar is a HAC.


That's true, but you'd eventually want Gallente Cruiser V if you regularly fly the Stratios at which point it makes more sense to just train up an Ishtar and use that instead.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#26 - 2014-06-26 03:46:56 UTC
Have you tested it v.s. the new gila?

I liked the old gila for some exploration but han't bothered with it's new play style.
I'm wondering if it's even still viable and how the 2 compare.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2014-06-26 06:05:03 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The Stratios is easier to skill up for of course. The Ishtar is a HAC.


That's true, but you'd eventually want Gallente Cruiser V if you regularly fly the Stratios at which point it makes more sense to just train up an Ishtar and use that instead.


Depends. if its an alt maybe not.

For example I give all my low skill PI alts astero and covops cloaks for POCO upload runs. If I ever get around to throwing more PLEX at them I will train them for covops frigates or possibly BRs. However in the meantime the astero is a viable low skill way of getting in and out of low relatively safely.
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
#28 - 2014-06-26 09:56:50 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The Stratios is easier to skill up for of course. The Ishtar is a HAC.


That's true, but you'd eventually want Gallente Cruiser V if you regularly fly the Stratios at which point it makes more sense to just train up an Ishtar and use that instead.


Depends. if its an alt maybe not.

For example I give all my low skill PI alts astero and covops cloaks for POCO upload runs. If I ever get around to throwing more PLEX at them I will train them for covops frigates or possibly BRs. However in the meantime the astero is a viable low skill way of getting in and out of low relatively safely.


What the hell? What kind of POCO-related runs could you do with an Astero? The only thing which comes to mind would be emptying your landing pads into the POCO, for faster retrieval later. But loading your POCOs full of PI seems like a curiously unsafe thing to do. So I'm kind of stumped.

What are you doing during those "upload" runs?
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#29 - 2014-06-26 21:25:27 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The Stratios is easier to skill up for of course. The Ishtar is a HAC.


Mainly, this.

As well:

To really get the most out of an explo-Ishtar requires top, or nearly so, drone-skills, as well as HACs to at least 4, 5 preferred.

Combine with recommended-max scanning/profession skills (no bonussing to those on a 'Tar, recall, and you'll want Sebtry drone damage rigs in place of scanning rigs) so you can actually find things in losec sometime today...

Yeah, the total train, but primarily the drone skills, is painfully long (like 2-2.5 months if memory serves?).

Stratios can benefit from all of this, but it's not "near-mandatory" the way the HAC is.

Ni.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2014-06-26 23:07:38 UTC
Owen Levanth wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The Stratios is easier to skill up for of course. The Ishtar is a HAC.


That's true, but you'd eventually want Gallente Cruiser V if you regularly fly the Stratios at which point it makes more sense to just train up an Ishtar and use that instead.


Depends. if its an alt maybe not.

For example I give all my low skill PI alts astero and covops cloaks for POCO upload runs. If I ever get around to throwing more PLEX at them I will train them for covops frigates or possibly BRs. However in the meantime the astero is a viable low skill way of getting in and out of low relatively safely.


What the hell? What kind of POCO-related runs could you do with an Astero? The only thing which comes to mind would be emptying your landing pads into the POCO, for faster retrieval later. But loading your POCOs full of PI seems like a curiously unsafe thing to do. So I'm kind of stumped.

What are you doing during those "upload" runs?


My Pi is very low maintenance and I spend very little time on it, the 0.2 and 0.3 planets mainly make P2 which fills the launch pad about every 10 days or so moving extractors every 4 days. I basically haul the P2 back to hisec and Red Frog it to a major trade hub when i get over 500 mill built up.

A quick ran around in the Astero to empty the launch pads up to the POCO means I only need to take in the Epthal to a particular system about once a month.

Its not optimal but TBH the losec PI is just a free 500mill to 1 Bill a month with minimal effort and I have been too lazy to bother training BRs which are obviously a more sensible alternative.
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#31 - 2014-06-27 00:06:26 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The Stratios is easier to skill up for of course. The Ishtar is a HAC.


Mainly, this.

As well:

To really get the most out of an explo-Ishtar requires top, or nearly so, drone-skills, as well as HACs to at least 4, 5 preferred.

Combine with recommended-max scanning/profession skills (no bonussing to those on a 'Tar, recall, and you'll want Sebtry drone damage rigs in place of scanning rigs) so you can actually find things in losec sometime today...

Yeah, the total train, but primarily the drone skills, is painfully long (like 2-2.5 months if memory serves?).

Stratios can benefit from all of this, but it's not "near-mandatory" the way the HAC is.


You usually don't run sentry damage rigs on an Ishtar, they stack with drone damage amps and give a pathetic bonus so are rarely worth it. So if you want you can put in gravity capacitor upgrades in there though personally I wouldn't bother. As for scanning stuff in lowsec, you really don't need a scanning bonus. I have Astrometrics V (just so I can use T2 Probe Launchers), and the support skills at IV and have never had any trouble scanning anything in lowsec with a T2 Core Probe Launcher and Sisters Probes on a ship with no scanning bonus, as well as no scanning module/rigs and even before I got Astro V using a Sisters Probe Launcher still gave me no problems.

HAC IV isn't a very long skill, the bulk of the training is in getting Gallente Cruiser V, and you can also use faction sentry drones as a stopgap measure till you've trained T2 similar to the Stratios.

Yes I don't deny the Ishtar is more skill intensive than the Stratios, but it's definitely less skill intensive than you're making it out to be.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#32 - 2014-06-27 08:38:01 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
As for scanning stuff in lowsec, you really don't need a scanning bonus. I have Astrometrics V (just so I can use T2 Probe Launchers), and the support skills at IV and have never had any trouble scanning anything in lowsec with a T2 Core Probe Launcher and Sisters Probes on a ship with no scanning bonus, as well as no scanning module/rigs and even before I got Astro V using a Sisters Probe Launcher still gave me no problems.


It's weird to me that people still treat scanning in lower security bands as somehow harder. The bands are the same everywhere, it's just a matter of what's in them. Yes, high sec 4/10s are on the same band as 5/10s in low sec, so if you're going for 6/10s they're a touch harder to hit. But they're really not that hard. The Stratios doesn't really offer much of an advantage there in the long run.

Now, if for some reason you're debating whether to use a HAC or a scan-bonused ship to pin 10/10s in null or distribution facilities in low... eh, maybe the scan bonus is a bigger deal.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#33 - 2014-06-27 22:26:27 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
The Stratios is easier to skill up for of course. The Ishtar is a HAC.


Mainly, this.

As well:

To really get the most out of an explo-Ishtar requires top, or nearly so, drone-skills, as well as HACs to at least 4, 5 preferred.

Combine with recommended-max scanning/profession skills (no bonussing to those on a 'Tar, recall, and you'll want Sebtry drone damage rigs in place of scanning rigs) so you can actually find things in losec sometime today...

Yeah, the total train, but primarily the drone skills, is painfully long (like 2-2.5 months if memory serves?).

Stratios can benefit from all of this, but it's not "near-mandatory" the way the HAC is.


You usually don't run sentry damage rigs on an Ishtar, they stack with drone damage amps and give a pathetic bonus so are rarely worth it. So if you want you can put in gravity capacitor upgrades in there though personally I wouldn't bother. As for scanning stuff in lowsec, you really don't need a scanning bonus. I have Astrometrics V (just so I can use T2 Probe Launchers), and the support skills at IV and have never had any trouble scanning anything in lowsec with a T2 Core Probe Launcher and Sisters Probes on a ship with no scanning bonus, as well as no scanning module/rigs and even before I got Astro V using a Sisters Probe Launcher still gave me no problems.

HAC IV isn't a very long skill, the bulk of the training is in getting Gallente Cruiser V, and you can also use faction sentry drones as a stopgap measure till you've trained T2 similar to the Stratios.

Yes I don't deny the Ishtar is more skill intensive than the Stratios, but it's definitely less skill intensive than you're making it out to be.


Ah yes, I'd forgotten the changes to the 'Tar recently. It has CPU now, It didn't when DDAs came out. And I mean, none. Sentry-rigs were used, because no other damager-mods were an option for fitting reasons. Amazingly, you can actually use a DDA --T II even!-- now on an armour-Tar if you keep the ShadowSerp/dark Blood/etc armour-hardeners that we all needed back then, again for fitting reasons (and it sho is fine, lemme tell ya :)).

I didn't know they stacked though.

Did they change the skill-times? Drone Interfacing and Sentry Drone interfacing to 5 before (the latter needed for T II Sentry Drones, as the T I versions were a joke), both rank 5 (along with Gallente Cruiser, also 5 IIRC)...That alone is what sucked major balls. Worth it in the end, even before the changes, though.

Scanning seems to go much easier in a non-bonussed ship once you have all skills to 5, and a few cheap(-ish) implants, ther are only a very few sites in 0.1+ space that I haven't been able to lock down, but it does still take longer, IME.

Yeah, I been away for a while, back at the explo, though...Turns out that I've missed my EVE more than I knew.

Ni.
Whang'Lo
Cosmically Irrelevant
#34 - 2014-06-28 04:05:34 UTC
Navy Vexor = 1/3 of the price.

Tengu = same price.

This is the problem I have with it.

[u]A Paranoid is just someone with all the facts - William Burroughs[/u]
Tosawa Komarui
State War Academy
Caldari State
#35 - 2014-06-28 11:17:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tosawa Komarui
Dato Koppla wrote:
The main problem with the Stratios is that it's pretty much directly competing with the Ishtar in terms of completing sites, sure it has the CovOps cloak and scan bonus, but many people have scan alts and you can also fit a cloak/probe launcher on an Ishtar and easily scan down most sites. Ishtar is pretty the best ship in Eve right now so it's not that the Stratios is bad or anything, but it's just trying to compete with the best ship in the meta.


pretty much this, its hard to call the stratios bad when being compaired to the best thing in eve

personally i use the stratios for doing ghost sites and belt ratting, i could never get a decent tank out of it P
Saeka Tyr
Sanctuary of Shadows
#36 - 2014-06-29 22:51:04 UTC
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#37 - 2014-06-30 08:47:29 UTC
Saeka Tyr wrote:
stratios is working fine for me

https://zkillboard.com/kill/39742237/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/39767501/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/39742109/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/39805706/

oh you mean as a site runner? crap. give it back 125 bay.


To quote myself in the OP right off the bat:

Quote:
Second, if the ship really is as mediocre as I think it is, is there anything that can be done to fix it that wouldn't utterly annihilate PvP balance? I tend to think not but I'd be open to other ideas.


So yeah. I'm not asking for the bandwidth back here and I don't think anyone else is either.

As for those kills.... First two look solid. I have no idea what to make of the third one. A neut Loki? Seriously? And the fourth one I'm sure is included by mistake, right? Ferox fleet popping a rail Tengu in Providence?
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