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Mas boost orca vs max boost rorqual

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Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-25 23:50:55 UTC
What is the difference in %'s between the two if fully maxed on both?
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2014-06-26 02:49:36 UTC
Orca link multiplier: 4.3125
* Industrial Command Ships 5 (5 * 3% = 15%)
* Mining Director 5 (5 * 20% = 100%)
* Warfare Link Specialist 5 (5 * 10% = 50%)
* Mining Foreman Mindlink (25%)

Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II: -7.5% * 4.3125 = -32.34375%
Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency II: -7.5% * 4.3125 = -32.34375%
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II: 17% * 4.3125 = 73.3125%

Effective Yield Bonus = (1 + 15%) / (1 - 32.34375%) - 1 = 69.97%


Rorqual link multiplier: 5.625
* Capital Industrial Ships 5 (5 * 10% = 50%)
* Mining Director 5 (5 * 20% = 100%)
* Warfare Links Specialist 5 (5 * 10% = 50%)
* Mining Foreman Mindlink (25%)

Mining Foreman Link - Laser Optimization II: -7.5% * 5.625 = -42.1875%
Mining Foreman Link - Harvester Capacitor Efficiency II: -7.5% * 5.625 = -42.1875%
Mining Foreman Link - Mining Laser Field Enhancement II: 17% * 5.625 = 95.625%

Effective Yield Bonus = (1 + 15%) / (1 - 42.1875%) - 1 = 98.92%
Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-06-26 03:15:30 UTC
30% is quite significant. Thank you greatly for your math.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#4 - 2014-06-26 10:42:22 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Orca link multiplier: 4.3125
Rorqual link multiplier: 5.625


I am mathematically challenged so could you enlighten me where those multipliers came from? I guess they are results of listed bonuses but I kind of miss math behind it.

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Ria Nieyli
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2014-06-26 10:49:10 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Orca link multiplier: 4.3125
Rorqual link multiplier: 5.625


I am mathematically challenged so could you enlighten me where those multipliers came from? I guess they are results of listed bonuses but I kind of miss math behind it.


Simply add the percentage bonus and then multiply the different instances. In the case of the Orca you get

(1 + 15%) x (1 + 100%) x (1 + 50%) x (1 + 25%) =
1.15 x 2 x 1.5 x 1.25 =
4.3125
Ealon Musque
Capital Chaps
#6 - 2014-06-26 10:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ealon Musque
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Orca link multiplier: 4.3125
Rorqual link multiplier: 5.625


I am mathematically challenged so could you enlighten me where those multipliers came from? I guess they are results of listed bonuses but I kind of miss math behind it.


Example Orca:

(1+15%) * (1+100%) * (1+50%) * (1+25%) = 1.15 * 2 * 1.5 * 1.25 = 4.3125


The "verbal" way:

You start with 1. Mining director doubles it to 2. Warfare link specialist takes that 2 and adds half again, resulting in 3. Mining foreman link adds a quarter of that, so .75, bringing it up to 3.75. Finally, Industrial Command Ships V adds 15% to the 3.75, which brings it up to 4.3125.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#7 - 2014-06-26 11:26:25 UTC
Duh!

Thanks a lot for detailed explanation :)

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Savoian
The Muppet Show
#8 - 2014-06-26 13:19:18 UTC
Throne of Games wrote:
30% is quite significant. Thank you greatly for your math.


A bot more math for you: moving from a +60% boost to a +90% boost is in fact a +50% boost effect, not a +30%.
+30pp (percentage points) = +50% boost

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2014-06-26 18:02:56 UTC
Savoian wrote:
Throne of Games wrote:
30% is quite significant. Thank you greatly for your math.


A bot more math for you: moving from a +60% boost to a +90% boost is in fact a +50% boost effect, not a +30%.
+30pp (percentage points) = +50% boost

Relative increase of a maxed Rorqual over a maxed Orca:
(98.92% - 69.97%) / 69.97% = 41.37%

You can ballpark the bonuses at 70% and 100%:
(100% - 70%) / 70% = 42.86%
Spacedust
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-06-26 21:15:44 UTC
To answer what I believe the Op is looking for is the following:

A max rorqual not in siege mode does not give as good of boosts as a max orca so from best to worse you have rorqual in siege>orca>rorqual not in siege.

So who cares?

Each one plays an important part in an industrial operations daily life. If as a booster your afk your best option would be in an orca or risk burning up rorqual fuel when there is no one in fleet. You also have no way to refuel the rorqual being afk.

Sieges rorqual mode is for decent size mining fleets and above as if you are one or two ships if you looked at the numbers per hour it might not be worth it.

Non sieges rorqual is useful for housing a rorqual in belt (yes it's possible with a cloak tractor beams) but yea....no one does that....ever.....<_< It's also not a bad alternative to if you don't have an orca but still want to afk boost.

Hope all this helps
Throne of Games
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-06-26 21:56:15 UTC
Well the rorq would be running for a 20-30 man fleet.. i was just trying to determine how worth it would be to grab a rorq over a orca, for a 2b~ price tag difference.
Ealon Musque
Capital Chaps
#12 - 2014-06-26 22:25:48 UTC
I think rorquals will be very important for compression after Crius. Also, they are due for a buff, according to CCP. So training for one or buying one has some "unknown upside" potential that is worth something.
TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-06-26 23:22:05 UTC
Ealon Musque wrote:
I think rorquals will be very important for compression after Crius.


Are we talking about the same Crius? Last time I checked the Rorquals compression abilities were made nearly useless due to the new Compression Array. The only time the Rorqual will be compressing anything is during an actual op. Outside of that the array is likely to be used way more often.

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Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2014-06-27 20:39:55 UTC
Throne of Games wrote:
Well the rorq would be running for a 20-30 man fleet.. i was just trying to determine how worth it would be to grab a rorq over a orca, for a 2b~ price tag difference.


For that many people a Rorq is absolutely worth it, as long as you're mining more often than once a week.