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Eve Can't Count

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Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-06-05 05:12:32 UTC
... in Roman numerals.

For instance, if you are looking at planets in your overview (or moons around planets) and sort by "name" to order them sequentially, what happens instead is the following:

system I
system II
system III
system IV
system IX
system V
system VI
system VII
system VIII
system X
system XI

where "system" is the name of the system you happen to be in. The correct order should be:

system I
system II
system III
system IV
system V
system VI
system VII
system VIII
system IX
system X
system XI

A minor thing, but fairly easy to fix.
Lothros Andastar
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-06-05 05:29:42 UTC
That's because it's actually sorting alphabetically as the Name column should.
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-06-05 05:43:25 UTC
Lothros Andastar wrote:
That's because it's actually sorting alphabetically as the Name column should.



No kidding. However, the planets should be sorted by their number from the star rather than some bizarre alphabetical counting of Roman numerals. The purpose of ordinal numbers is to order things by number.

Either Eve should create another column to order the planets by their location from the sun (more problematic), or fix the way it "counts" the planets.

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-06-05 05:58:39 UTC
That is because alphabetically I comes before V and V before X.

Roman numerals are represented by letters in game and are not "numbers"

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#5 - 2014-06-05 06:17:52 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
That is because alphabetically I comes before V and V before X.

Roman numerals are represented by letters in game and are not "numbers"


You are right, and what you are right about is exactly what the OP is complaining about: EVE sorts ordinals represented as roman numerals as a string sorted lexicographically rather than treating string representations of roman numerals as the ordinal being represented.

The string "Prism X" contains two elements: the first is the system name "Prism", the second is the ordinal position of that planet in the system, with orbits numbered from innermost at 1, incrementing outwards to 10 represented in this case by X. Thus an overview sorting by name should actually be sorting planets (and moons) by two columns "system name" and "orbit number".
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#6 - 2014-06-05 07:10:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Xe'Cara'eos
I find this irritating too, especially with customs offices

I say the easiest way is the creation of new (roman numeral) characters that sort alphabetically into their ordinal order. Should take all of about 30 mins for me to do; I imagine someone at CCP could do it quicker; they only need to do up to the maximum number of planets in a system - since that's all they're used for, right?

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.

Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-06-05 18:42:55 UTC
A simpler fix would be to drop the Roman numerals all together and just go with:

System 1
System 2
System 3
etc.

Then the alphabetizing of the "Name" column works out correctly.
RaVenC
DEFCON.
The Initiative.
#8 - 2014-06-05 18:57:38 UTC
Strot Harn wrote:
A simpler fix would be to drop the Roman numerals all together and just go with:

System 1
System 2
System 3
etc.

Then the alphabetizing of the "Name" column works out correctly.


Nope, than this will happen:
System 1
System 10
System 11
System 2
System 3
...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-06-05 19:04:32 UTC
RaVenC wrote:
Strot Harn wrote:
A simpler fix would be to drop the Roman numerals all together and just go with:

System 1
System 2
System 3
etc.

Then the alphabetizing of the "Name" column works out correctly.


Nope, than this will happen:
System 1
System 10
System 11
System 2
System 3
...


But we can fix this!!!!!

System 00000001
System 00000002
System 00000003
System 00000010

It will TOTALLY work.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
Iain Cariaba
#10 - 2014-06-05 19:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Iain Cariaba
Removed due to it being almost identical to above post...
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-06-05 21:20:35 UTC
Clearly, something as basic and idiotic as this programming 101 problem has baffled the great minds at CCP.

No solution can be found. Give up now.
Strot Harn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-06-22 22:05:16 UTC
Sometimes I think Eve has the smartest MMO community in the world and then I read the responses to this thread and think it has the dumbest.

What could possibly be the objection (apart from lazy programmers) for not fixing the incorrect ordering of the planets, moons, asteroid belts, customs offices in the overview?

Perhaps, I should add idiotic trolling as an objection. Otherwise, there is no legitimate reason why this error shouldn't be corrected.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-06-22 23:04:34 UTC
Strot Harn wrote:
Sometimes I think Eve has the smartest MMO community in the world and then I read the responses to this thread and think it has the dumbest.

What could possibly be the objection (apart from lazy programmers) for not fixing the incorrect ordering of the planets, moons, asteroid belts, customs offices in the overview?

Perhaps, I should add idiotic trolling as an objection. Otherwise, there is no legitimate reason why this error shouldn't be corrected.

Everyone knows the truly intelligent are never quite well based in their sanity. So either EVE is full of the biggest trolling 12 year olds, or it holds the likes of Tesla, Einstein, Plato, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, The Mittani, Tokugawa Ieyasu, or Confucius.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#14 - 2014-06-23 17:35:02 UTC
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
likes of Tesla, Einstein, Plato, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, The Mittani, Tokugawa Ieyasu, or Confucius.

One of these things is not like the other

I'm right behind you

RoAnnon
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-06-23 18:12:02 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Nariya Kentaya wrote:
likes of Tesla, Einstein, Plato, Genghis Khan, Alexander the Great, The Mittani, Tokugawa Ieyasu, or Confucius.

One of these things is not like the other


Why do people always have to single out Confucius?? Is a puzzlement!! Cool

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Jade Blackwind
#16 - 2014-06-23 18:18:38 UTC
Supported

Seriously, how hard can it be to create a separate hard-coded listing order for the celestials based on the roman numerals from I to XX?
Alberik
Eusebius Corporation
#17 - 2014-06-23 18:35:38 UTC
Imagine you discover a new solar system.

You name the planets

Nesosy I
Nesosy II
Nesosy III
Nesosy IV
Nesosy V

After settlers arrive on Nesosy IV they rename it to "Home"
now its:

Nesosy I
Nesosy II
Nesosy III
Home
Nesosy V

Stupid idea to sort planets by name
on the other hand its already a stupid idea to show navigation targets and weapon targets in the same column
the problem is placed much deeper in design
Syd Unknown
#18 - 2014-06-24 19:51:59 UTC
YES it would be a good idea to have the moons sorted in a right way when trying to sort it. :)
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#19 - 2014-06-24 19:58:35 UTC
op must have ocd, this never really bothered me.

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Doomheim
#20 - 2014-06-25 05:30:23 UTC
Most modern computer systems solved this problem with Indian numerals. I think doing it for Roman numerals would be the same.

ie 2 comes after 134 in the old strict ordering of many systems.
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