Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And watch while every provi-bloc pilot unsubs.

OOOOOOOO! I got it!

Return Sov mechanics to the Old way, but instead of Starbase sov it would be Outpost sov! ;)

As characters get older, coalitions get larger the cost of things becomes easier to absorb. As it stands building a station is something that is well within reach of a single player if he so desires. It's approx same effort as building super-carrier "solo". For even a relatively small corporation if its at least semi-organized throwing up the station is achievable. The question is of keeping it ofc. And that is one of the reasons of the huge blobs and coalitions. Reasons why these exist are discussed in other threads in detail but in a nutshell it's combination of dominion sov system and the great anomaly nerf in the beginning of summer of rage. Both were pressed through regardless of some pretty competent characters in these forums telling the dev's responsible why it does not work and what will happen instead. Ofc they are not the sole reason for it - there are other contributing factors introduced later - main one of these being that old players usually do not generate their income in null sec so the older established alliances do not need the space they own so they can rent it out to noobs who do not know better and still have to grind for their isk in old fashioned way in anoms. Leading for whole regions to be rented out and kept in line with the threat of supercapital fist.

If I would put my mind to it I could afford to erect a station roughly every 15 days. Ofc question of its own would be that how fast I would burn out at that rate. Isk grind is somewhat boring even to older chars.

I would imagine about half of the wormholes would have one by now if they could be built in there.

About destruction of these. I'm not sure there is a good, fair and properly balanced way of doing it. And I really dislike the artificial differentiation between player built stations and NPC stations. You have two sandcastles side by side and somehow one is destructible and another one is not? Why? Now don't get me wrong, I believe to undertsand the game design reasons behind keeping NPC sov systems as NPC sov. However, I believe that everything within game should follow the same set of rules, ideally, without all these "special cases" and "no you can't do that to an NPC". Lay out the rules and make it so that everything rises from these - that would be the sandbox way. The other way is "theme park" - special NPC's with "immortal" flag, can't shoot the other guy without his permission, etc.

It also surprises me, from the back-story perspective why can't one, say, attack Sansha or Blood Raider sov? CONCORD recognizes them as sovereign entities or what?

That is separate issue but I do not care much for the sov holders problems with bad people living near by killing off their renters without them being able to do much about it. It is mostly attitude problem. Been on both sides of that fence.

However, if you make only stations in sovereign null vulnerable to destruction you are discriminating in the other direction. Not to mention lacking a lore explanation why? And lore is important. Take, for example, the Mordus ships which should have been Caldari/Minmatar but ended up as Caldari/Gallente for the reasons of lore.

Literally the worst idea ever.

But then why not just stage out of the NPC 0.0 station and save the massive effort and risk of moving every time you're away from the game for a few days?

Devils Fighter wrote:
"I'd love to see sov mechanics completely overturned and made dynamic and occupancy based. I think it was you Rivr Luzade (sorry if it's not) who said small alliances don't belong in 0.0 because they don't provide the content EVE needs? I think it's the completely opposite situation. So much of 0.0 is unoccupied with a superblock holding sov, purely for moon mining purposes. Occupancy based sov would allow smaller alliances in and provide way more opportunities for PvP, PvE and Industry."

I believe you've touched on part of the problem.

Power projection in EvE is far too great allowing large alliance the ability to project their fleets (Titan jump mechanics and Cyno field creation) vast distances and in great numbers without having any other stationary assets nearby. This is great for those large 100+ engagements, but a byproduct of that is that smaller corps and alliances can't take and hold sections of 0.0 because they don't compete against each other, but against large alliances they can't defend against. Distance for Titan bridging and cyno jumping needs to be reduced, number of ships / volume per jump needs to be throttled, and the initiating ship (Titan or Black Ops BS) needs to share the risk. (How about they have to go with the jump?)

If we want to draw more small corps and alliances into lowsec and 0.0 sec we're going to have to give them the ability to survive without becoming a pawn / [female dog] to the larger alliances. Again, I'm only saying if the GOAL is to draw more people into lowsec and 0.0. If not, then things are fine...

Long story short its a great idea that will revitalize null sec. People will care about losing stations just like wormholers care about losing poses. The current mechanics promote a "ohh well if we lose the station i can just courier contract it out"

As to when stations are destroyed no loot should drop but a killmail should be generated

As to when stations are destroyed i generally disagree with the idea about magically moving items to an NPC null station but i suspect its going to have to happen else CCP will need to issue buckets for the next Christmas gift items to bail out all of the tears.

However i'm pretty sure if they do decide to magically move inactive accounts items they should all be moved to old man star top stations

all said but for WH :)

You also have wormhole mechanics to prevent what will ABSOLUTELY HAPPEN as soon as this feature hits. That being huge blobs of supers and titans purging nullsec of any and all outposts.


Guess everyone's moving to hisec.