Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Idea is very simple , create ravage mining modules.
They allow fast extraction of minerals, at very high amount rates .... but at very , very large waste rate.
Because sov mining upgrades are spawning new mining anomalies each time one is depleted i suggest to create only those modules :

- Ravage Ice Harvester I - 10 blocks extraction per cycle , 70% waste ( 3 lands in cargo hold, 7 is destroyed)
- Ravage Ice Harvester II - 20 blocks extraction per cycle , 75% waste ( 5 lands in cargo , 15 are destroyed)

( i will not give you numbers , as i don't mine , but to keep similarity to the Ravage Ice Harvester modules)
- Ravage Mining Laser I - 70% waste , can use crystals
- Ravange Mining Laser II - 75% waste , can use crystals

(very questionable because of current SOV mining capabilities, so i suggest don't create one )
- Ravage Strip Miner I - 70% waste
- Ravage Strip Miner II - 75% waste

All those lasers will have very visible , and different from current graphics , so people using those modules can be easily tracked by others.

Now why?
To create more content , yes you can say i abuse this sentence , but think about this.

We are talking about driving a conflict , because person using this kind of modules , will at the same time deny other people minerals to mine.
Lets just talk about ice.
Using Ravage Ice Harvesters you are capable only to extract 25-30% of minerals stored in belt - rest of them will be lost.

Think about all those ninja ops people will start to do in lowsec, or nullsec , as they can extract very fast big amounts of minerals.
"Just few cycles, and my cargo hold will be full"

We have a covert ops mining frigate - perfect for using Ravange Mining Laser II ...
Think about all those angry miners when they spot 1-2 people not using normal miners but ravage ones ...
The only goal of this module is to create new potential conflict.

If you like this idea please support it , as miners wanting to kill other miners is what this game needs

Not exactly.
People can extract whole using normal miners , or only 30% (much faster).

Do you think that a 10 man mining fleet will be angry on 2 other miners using ravage versions?

Well, firstly you get with your mentioned stats +200% yield while destroying stuff you wouldn't get either due to competition, there is 0 loss + 200% gain by using yours. Using old ones would be plain stupid. You have not mentioned increased cycle times, which would defeat the purpose I guess. Also less for others or in general means destroying resources and make the few more valuable on the market. The ones using those miners would probably get something like +800% ISK per hour comapred to now.

And yes, any single or group miner would be pissed, everyone is out for each others ore. And I would even say its the other way around, usually the singel or dual miner would be pissed at the 10 man fleet using such modules and then just continue to the next belt, which they usually do all day.
Not to mention, that big fleets, usually multiboxer will be able for max profit to use the t2 versions much more in numbers and with more efficiency then single miners who also do train othre things maybe.

If you try a new idea, first try to break it, exploit it before supporting what sounds just nice and fun at first glance. This goes for most posters too. Have your doubts, voice them, then when you managed to overcome them, post.

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But not to be too negative, if you are still interested in such a module, it should look or at least start out like this as a suggestion:

T1 Ravage Ice Harvester
Req: Ice Harvesting level 4
Activation cost: 20 GJ
Activation duration: 1200 seconds
Activation range: 6km
Yield: 5 cubes
Waste: 5 cubes (guess)

This way you risk long cycle time (and zero yield at the end of a roids life) for the 25% gain in yield and destruction of additional 100% valuable Ice. It binds you closer (range) and longer on the spot (cycle time) which balances out the potential profit - and destruction of potential profit for other parties, making your Ice even more valuable. Do not forget the impact on the market for cutting resources. Higher cap use might also force you to off cycle the harvester.

This how it is done and should be presented.

Cheers

Sure I see conflict, conflict of itnerest mostly.

But shortening the duration of having to be in a belt and delivering loot to a safe heaven is a huge buff to mining alone, then you get the destruction of part of the possible gains for others. And even if the depleted belt respawns rather quickly, who cares about waste, you have triple yield and an ulimited supply... and I am not even countign the possible ISK value impact on the open market.

This is so badly unbalanced I should give it a -10.

I tried to help, if you are stuck with your concept and can't see beyond you personal small grasb of what that feature might bring, then sorry, but I am not here to stay.

Ice is not infinite any more, and if you didn't notice - i don't want strip miner in this versions, while large ore sites spawn each after another in SOV.
Normal belts don't spawn so quickly , and remember that if you want move large amount of mining equipment - this is a bit slow in higsec , and difficult in nullsec.

Like i told you , i don't mine - so i cannot tell exact numbers.

Main idea is to crate new place for conflict , new opportunities , and more targets that you can hunt.

How people can fight others using this modules in high ... my first two thoughts :
- wars
- bumping

I don't mean to derail, but how will the vast majority of highsec POSes becoming utterly obsolete result in higher fuel prices?

Don't worry , i will keep it up.

Still removing the SOV upgrades - could make ravage strip miners interesting idea

Thx.
Eve miners are waiting for this to happen!

More support required!