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Staying safe'Ish as a miner
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#21 - 2014-06-21 22:19:25 UTC
Well tanked and boosted hulks aren't worth ganking. T1 cats almost always lose ime.

Oh god.
Holly Ballbreaker
Overloaded Strip Miners Holding
#22 - 2014-06-22 11:46:24 UTC
Well

Last night i had some really strange things happen to me and my little fleet.

First i noticed a cov ops ship land on grid, and cloak. (why he didnt cloak befor hand is strange)
Then after around 2 min or so 2 thrashers arrived so i started rep cycle and masb then orca gets locked :/

brilliant ok here we go, But then only 1 of thrashers started warp screaming my orca NO shots fired OK.

Then other starts locking my orca and starts doing same as other guy again :/ now im no pvper but i knew they wos just wasting time doing this still no shots fired at this point i think hmm wtf, then 5 more ships land 2 more thrashers and 3 catalysts now all lock me and ALL put scrams on me still wtf, by this time concord is arriving and pops the last guy to warp scram me others who started this action are still scramming me Now here is where it got strange.

concord vanishes i mean they just left me there to die OK i think i see a picture forming, after around 3-4 seconds later concord arrive back and finish off the guys one by one ok panic over remember still no one has fired a shot.
Or atleast i didnt get any notifications about being shot.

i warped back to station (after looting) :)

and start to try and work out wtf they wos doing i am almost tempted to mail them to ask but il be honest i wos just glad to get out alive.

by the way none wos code. members

after scratching my head my only reasoning is they scanned my ship and realized they messed up OR forgot to shoot not 100% sure.

either way 2nd gank attempt wos a epic fail :) i win again seems my fit so far has worked to my advantage Or they are really bad at ganking.
DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#23 - 2014-06-22 15:29:57 UTC
Next time CODE will show up with their entire cult if not more to gank your Orca and three mining barges.

CODE usually employs around 20 to 30 Catalyst Gank ships supported by Talos and Brutix BC.

If they can't force you buy a permit for ten million isk for each member of your fleet they will gank each one within an hours time or mass gank them.

I see it all the time in Aufay and can to say that CODE will find you and your fleet so it would be in your best interest to tank your fleet to its max potential.

Losing mining yields is better than losing your entire fleet I would think.
Vhelnik Cojoin
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#24 - 2014-06-22 21:22:49 UTC
A Skiff is a much better option than a Rokh for mining in dangerous waters. It is faster and more agile, has a much larger ore bay, cost less, has a higher yield by far, a lower signature radius and can be tanked pretty well even fitted for max. yield. Not quite as well as a passive shield tanked mining Rokh yet still, a respectably solid tank.

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Bland Inquisitor
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-06-23 00:43:11 UTC
or join a nullsec alliance and have an entire system to yourself to mine to your hearts content. Get warnings upto 4 regions away about hostile movements and if someone comes in and cloaky camps you... move to 1 of the 100 other systems your allowed to use :)

never understood miners in hi-sec. Sov-Space is so much safer and more profitable too,

If you would like to know more, contact me.
Holly Ballbreaker
Overloaded Strip Miners Holding
#26 - 2014-06-23 09:15:35 UTC
Bland Inquisitor wrote:
or join a nullsec alliance and have an entire system to yourself to mine to your hearts content. Get warnings upto 4 regions away about hostile movements and if someone comes in and cloaky camps you... move to 1 of the 100 other systems your allowed to use :)

never understood miners in hi-sec. Sov-Space is so much safer and more profitable too,

If you would like to know more, contact me.



Hehe nice plug :/
Holly Ballbreaker
Overloaded Strip Miners Holding
#27 - 2014-06-23 11:24:15 UTC
Sod it cant beat them, Join them :)

First of 2 gank chars rolling out in 23 hours :)
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#28 - 2014-06-23 15:15:09 UTC
DrysonBennington wrote:
Next time CODE will show up with their entire cult if not more to gank your Orca and three mining barges.

CODE usually employs around 20 to 30 Catalyst Gank ships supported by Talos and Brutix BC.

If they can't force you buy a permit for ten million isk for each member of your fleet they will gank each one within an hours time or mass gank them.


I still don't see how even 20-30 cats could gank an orca with 250-260k ehp with lowest resist being close to 80%. And should they use same number of BCs to suicide it I would say orca won ISK war anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I am far from underestimating power of boredom and tear squeeze, I can go great lengths to gank newbie venture just because we happen to be in same system and he refuses to simply roll and die but keeps hanging around after eluding me first time. Still I cannot imagine CODE dudes and dudettes being sooo bored especially if they can probably gank all barges in system at same time with those numbers and shower themselves in tears and hulk drops should RNG god allow.

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#29 - 2014-06-23 16:29:28 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
DrysonBennington wrote:
Next time CODE will show up with their entire cult if not more to gank your Orca and three mining barges.

CODE usually employs around 20 to 30 Catalyst Gank ships supported by Talos and Brutix BC.

If they can't force you buy a permit for ten million isk for each member of your fleet they will gank each one within an hours time or mass gank them.


I still don't see how even 20-30 cats could gank an orca with 250-260k ehp with lowest resist being close to 80%. And should they use same number of BCs to suicide it I would say orca won ISK war anyway.

Don't get me wrong, I am far from underestimating power of boredom and tear squeeze, I can go great lengths to gank newbie venture just because we happen to be in same system and he refuses to simply roll and die but keeps hanging around after eluding me first time. Still I cannot imagine CODE dudes and dudettes being sooo bored especially if they can probably gank all barges in system at same time with those numbers and shower themselves in tears and hulk drops should RNG god allow.


If they can gank an Anshar, they can gank an Orca for certain. For bigger targets, they just bring more pilots or bigger ships. The DPS of a gank Talos is staggering.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#30 - 2014-06-23 16:49:11 UTC
Bronson Hughes wrote:
If they can gank an Anshar, they can gank an Orca for certain. For bigger targets, they just bring more pilots or bigger ships. The DPS of a gank Talos is staggering.


Sure, but there is 6bil price tag on that killmail. An orca parked at belt will have ore worth 30mil ISK inside? And will be 700-800mil worth itself so I would say to suicide 8 taloses to gank it is definitely not economically justified.

Again, I'm talking about properly tanked orca that primarily acts as booster and secondary as dump bin for miners, not some paper thin green/blue/purple fitted abomination that needs to be put down for sake of universe.

And again, I'm not saying it can't or won't get ganked just that there is much more easier and cheaper ways to wash yourself in sweet tear waterfalls when hisec mining is considered :)

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-06-23 21:14:08 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Director Blackflame wrote:
I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.


The same reason that despite getting 3 lowslots to pit potential tank, 90% of freighter pilots will stick 3 expanded cargoholds/warp speed modules in there. Most of them simply can't be bothered to understand the game outside of their own little box. I commend OP on trying to stay safe, that's more than most miners even bother doing.
The reason they don't fit bulkheads is because 9 times out of 10 they aren't hauling enough to be worth chewing through even their un-augmented EHP. That 10th time they're ganking for lulz and you are better off with 3 I-stabs and a web alt because all those bulkheads will get you is an extra second of watching your freighter burn.
Ginger Barbarella
#32 - 2014-06-23 22:58:52 UTC
You could always consider not being lazy and mining within a couple jumps of mission or trade hubs... Just a wild thought, I know...

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Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-06-25 20:10:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Valleria Darkmoon
Battle Skiff 90k EHP and 350 dps....GO!

Better yet, use that to gank. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE will see that coming.

On a slightly more serious note (because battle skiff looks completely legit) don't put all your characters in one belt spread them out so at least they can't get them all in one go without some co-ordination (hopefully they don't all have a naming convention). Get yourself a bookmark within docking range of a station (like above or below it so exiting traffic doesn't bump you off) and put your Orca there, warp to it dump your ore and head back. Yes, it's slightly more work but it will be safer there. Your links still work just fine from there and your Orca can dock up if anything threatening shows up to gank it.

Lastly, no you can't drop ships into an Orca while you are under fire and thank CCP for closing that exploit. The Orca/T3 gate camping strategy was one of the lamest things ever. All the more reason to leave your Orca in system but not with your miners. If CCP ever does make links on grid only you will have a good reason to drop all your accounts in one belt, but not before then.

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Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#34 - 2014-06-26 12:48:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Schmata Bastanold
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
Get yourself a bookmark within docking range of a station (like above or below it so exiting traffic doesn't bump you off) and put your Orca there, warp to it dump your ore and head back. Yes, it's slightly more work but it will be safer there. Your links still work just fine from there and your Orca can dock up if anything threatening shows up to gank it.


I wonder If having off-grid BM next to a belt and simply jettison an ore there would be valid alternative for solution you described. Short warp means more time spent shooting rocks, cans have approx 2 hours of lifetime so you can schedule hauling before they expire, you don't show up next to station in rather equal intervals so it's hard to just wait for you to gank you (although I cannot imagine you could miss bunch of cats around your orca patiently waiting for your hulk to arriveLol), cans cannot be probed so unless somebody already has probes ready to scan your ship they won't find them (and if you miss bunch of combats on d-scan you deserve to lose your ship).

On the other hand I guess difference between time warping to such BM and to an orca at station would greatly depend on relative distances between belt and station. Mining barges/exhumers are not among most agile warp racers :)

EDIT: I assume dumping ore to orca instead of to a station is to save those precious seconds that dock/undock takes, right?

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Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2014-06-26 14:50:19 UTC
Director Blackflame wrote:
I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.


Because at least some of the miners can think and calculate. And those you often find in Hulks and Mackinaws. If you use Hulks on a regular Basis they pay for themselves and generate extra profit compared to those stupid skiffs if you use them properly ON A REGULAR BASIS. For serious miners Skiffs and Procurers are an absolute NO-GO!

But, nevermind, please all other miners continue using Skiffs and Procurers! Thank you so much! That is decreasing offer, which keeps Prices higher and therefore more income for me :)
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#36 - 2014-06-26 15:43:26 UTC
Well, if price is kept higher because skiff/proc usage skiff/proc pilots have higher income too even with their lower-than-hulk yield :)

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Valleria Darkmoon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2014-06-30 10:23:14 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Valleria Darkmoon wrote:
Get yourself a bookmark within docking range of a station (like above or below it so exiting traffic doesn't bump you off) and put your Orca there, warp to it dump your ore and head back. Yes, it's slightly more work but it will be safer there. Your links still work just fine from there and your Orca can dock up if anything threatening shows up to gank it.


I wonder If having off-grid BM next to a belt and simply jettison an ore there would be valid alternative for solution you described. Short warp means more time spent shooting rocks, cans have approx 2 hours of lifetime so you can schedule hauling before they expire, you don't show up next to station in rather equal intervals so it's hard to just wait for you to gank you (although I cannot imagine you could miss bunch of cats around your orca patiently waiting for your hulk to arriveLol), cans cannot be probed so unless somebody already has probes ready to scan your ship they won't find them (and if you miss bunch of combats on d-scan you deserve to lose your ship).

On the other hand I guess difference between time warping to such BM and to an orca at station would greatly depend on relative distances between belt and station. Mining barges/exhumers are not among most agile warp racers :)

EDIT: I assume dumping ore to orca instead of to a station is to save those precious seconds that dock/undock takes, right?

Well having the BM off the belt could work I guess but there's always a tiny risk someone will find it with (probes while a ship is there), though the chance is so small I wouldn't worry about it. You'd still need to have the Orca in space somewhere to use your links and if you left it in a BM off the belt probing it out becomes a much bigger worry.

As for dropping ore into the Orca instead of into the station, I was working on the assumption that Orcas can do something productive with ore as well as saving time since you wouldn't need to dock/undock. My understanding of mining is superficial at best so I could be way off on that bit. I was making suggestions to stay alive based off mechanics I know how to use.

Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#38 - 2014-06-30 10:32:35 UTC
Orca cannot do anything with ore except carrying it, rorqual has compression thingy :)

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Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#39 - 2014-06-30 10:49:24 UTC
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
Director Blackflame wrote:
I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.


Because at least some of the miners can think and calculate. And those you often find in Hulks and Mackinaws. If you use Hulks on a regular Basis they pay for themselves and generate extra profit compared to those stupid skiffs if you use them properly ON A REGULAR BASIS. For serious miners Skiffs and Procurers are an absolute NO-GO!

But, nevermind, please all other miners continue using Skiffs and Procurers! Thank you so much! That is decreasing offer, which keeps Prices higher and therefore more income for me :)


http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/06/putting-highsec-to-test.html heres your evidence. Skiffs are pointless and procurers handicap yourself.


Heres the simple truth: anything you undock in highsec can and will be ganked purely for the Lulz. Will kill your orca, will kill you in 4 skiffs will kill you in tanked freighters, dont care and we dont care if they are empty. Gonna kill you anyway cos its fun to watch ships explode and even funnier to read the rage afterwards.

If you want to stay safe as a miner then mine in a mission pocket (easy to get those: run sec mission and mine in the pocket) and use Dscan every 4-5 secs and warp out if you see combat probes. I suggest using a retriever for this as less time running through acceleration gates and less loss if your caught at a station/gate. This is prob as safe as your going to get in eve online. As bored null seccers continue to gank and code grows I consider it inevitable that ganking will continue to rise in activty level. The "head in sand" strategy isnt going to work forever and I want to stress this point TANKING YOUR SHIP WONT HELP YOU OR SAVE YOU: THEY BRING 2 MORE CATS THATS ALL

Will gank for food
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#40 - 2014-06-30 10:50:23 UTC
Fluffi Flaffi wrote:
For serious miners Skiffs and Procurers are an absolute NO-GO!


I still think it is funny anybody could be serious about mining.

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