Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Simply put, this skill as it stands is useless. 19 hours is basically still a full day. what would be wrong with changing the skill so that at level 5 it was 12 hours??? i cant find a reason...

Consider this: You were never supposed to jump clones more than once a day, even with this skill.

Infomorph synchronizing doesn't really let you jump clones more than once a day, but instead gives you more flexibility in your schedule of when you do switch clones for the next day. If I go on a weekend Eve bender and during my last couple hours on Sunday jump clones to get something done with a specific set of implants, having a hard limit of 24 hours on jumping again would keep me from getting into a more useful clone Monday, when my schedule is back to normal. If I can't get back into my usual clone before my gaming time is up Monday, I have essentially just experienced a 2 day limit on jump clone availability instead of 1.

So no matter what the limit on jumping is intended to be 1 day, and the infomorph synchronizing skill is meant to accommodate people who have erratic playing schedules and variety in what they do in Eve.

i switched it to skills.. i figured that was more apt..

but to respond to the first guy .. why not be able to actually use clones dailly with no ill affects whats wrong with that .. im not asking about ccp intent.. i'm asking why it is considered wrong.


heres where i put it nowhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4739430#post4739430

I'll just leave these quotes here form the original Jump Clone thread posted prior to Odyssey 1.1 for you to consider:



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Too late, it's an idea now, you're stuck with us.

Because being able to jump more often gives a lot more power to some playstyles than it does others.

Something else to consider: What's the difference between 19 hours and 12 hours for the majority of players, given that their schedule is a rather static daily or less login routine? If I have time to play Eve from 8 to 11 every night or every other night, going from 19 hours to 12 means nothing to me.

The only way changing infomorph syncing could benefit an even marginal amount of the player base is if the skill dropped jump times to 6 hours or less, and again that would give some players a fairly big advantage.

Just as an example of a large scale gameplay effect, how would this affect cyno alts during a big fight? Assuming a 6 hour timer the cyno alt jumps to a pre-set clone that is along the jump route, grabs the cyno ship, undocks to light the cyno, and then docks back up immediately after their task is finished. The big fights can last until downtime as we've regularly seen so now 6 hours later that cyno alt has the ability to jump to a second clone set up along a second jump route without requiring any significant input from the player during that 6 hour period to help set up another large scale fight in an entirely different area, to bring in reinforcements with minimal logistics effort, or to bypass enemy blockades entirely with the same amount of resources he had before jump times were reduced. This potentially changes a lot in the logistics of force projection if a large alliance chose to exploit it, and force projection already has a lot of exploitable problems.

I still don't see my extra skill suggestion negated by fozzies post, which I remember now from before Oddyssey as you posted it.

I think exchaning clones furthers activity, while jumping hinders it, so devide the two.

I have been asked many times to accompany friends to WH or low sec space and always declined due to the 1 day jump delay, no other reason had any influence. For me, its a 100% block.

Before my reply is read id like you to know i dont mean any ill will, nor am i trying to pick a fight ;its just that im not you and apparently we dont see eye to eye on this topic.






just because you and others have spoken about it dose not mean my opinion is some how less meaningful. we all have them and are obviously entitled to them. you have no right to dismiss me.



yes in the short term but ive been playing for over two years now ... thats not negligible.. its significant.



this is still true even if the time between jumps is lessened. how many people play for over 12 hours a day regularly.. i work full time and have a girlfriend and freinds ..ie a life outside of eve. i also know many other players that do as well. they way i see this debate right now is that you are saying if i want to continue to play this game i have to cater to the oober active and plan my life accordingly. i have to plan out my eve schedule so that i can also play against many other users that use implants and boosts so that i can compete on par. that is what your telling me that is your side of the argument as i understand it from my life perspective.
basicallly if i get time on saturday night to play, im ok if i find a minuet on sunday to change clones .. however if i play sunday night im screwed because i wont be able to switch untill monday and im already 3 states away with no personal computer for a week ..and this happens frequently for me.

Little back story im a wireless technician ( basicly i work on cell towers/sites) i travel the us east coast every week( well the north east mostly) im not home at all during the week 90 % of the time but there are rare occasions where i am home for a couple of nights and ill work localy.. but i dont have a 8 hour 9-5 im up at 4:30 to be at work by 6 am(1 hour commute) and i usually dont get home untill 8 or later. my life dosent allow for 19 hour

I'm not dismissing you, I'm suggesting you use the search function to find out where the discussion has gone during these years, and see if you have anything unique to add to the discussion beyond what has already been suggested by the rest of the community. None of us benefit by everyone repeating each other every couple weeks.

The difference seems huge in the amount of days when you look at it without comparison. When you look at it as a percentage, or in comparison, it's about 3% or the same number of Public Holiday dates in the U.S..

Pretty insignificant, now matter low long the scale is stretched over.

To everyone, but mostly to you. I just realized before I quoted you that your post may fall under the pyramid quoting rule due to the way you formatted it, and chose not to worry about getting my post edited.

The correlation is that 3% makes no difference in the long run. 3% is also assuming that you just said "Screw this noise, I'm not jumping into a learning clone again for the next 2 years." and didn't have some marginal degree of success with staying in your learning clone during your work periods.

So including periods when you do miss the opportunity to jump into the right clone, over a stretch of two years, we may be talking 1-1.5% of your training efficiency is lost? Sweet Jeebus man, just relax a little.

My employer doesn't hold me to a standard of greater than 99% efficiency in my job. I'm pretty sure your employer doesn't hold you to that standard either. I don't hold that kind of standard for myself in my personal activities, so why the hell would you do that in a video game? That's just unnecessary stress.

Vidjya games man.... They're for the fun....

Good lord, there's just no pleasing some people. No. It's fine. Frankly, it was fine when it was a full day.