EVE General Discussion

In APB I would suicide gank in a van with free candy scrawled on the side.

And then there was the battlefield buggy bombs.

Does intentionally crashing into the space centre in KSP count?

I lol'd.

Well, I didn't really laugh out loud irl.

I guess I'm a dirty liar.

Personally, I gank miners due it being a lot of fun to me.

The only reason I play any video game is to have fun and enjoy what free time that I have when I am not working or otherwise busy. One of the major reasons that I got into Eve in the first place was the marketing and the game design that allows and even encourages what most other games would call "greifing". Part of the special magic that is EVE is the ability to play the "bad guy" and the open sandbox style of the game that allows players to pretty much do whatever they want - we are really only limited by game mechanics and some basic common sense rules (It's probably not smart to send RL death threats to other EVE players who you might not be a fan of, etc).

The ganking lifestyle is not for everyone, of course! I really enjoy the whole experience of finding that perfect target via probe and directional scan, gathering the intel that I need to determine what is required to make sure that I will be able to destroy my target, and finally - getting that perfect warp in, dropping out right on top of them, and opening fire. Personally, I find it to be a lot of fun!

There's plenty of other things to do in EVE, of course - and ganking things is just one of them. In my years of playing EVE - I have tried to do a little bit of everything - as I have found that having at least a general understanding of most things really helps you when doing something specific. Ganking miners will make you a more solid miner if you choose to do that, spending some time mining will make you a better ganker, and so on.

I can't really say that I do it for ISK - I do make a decent profit, but it's not anything amazing or special. Thankfully, I have found that making enough ISK to support the things that I want to do on my various accounts is quite easy, and really takes no time at all. Of course, I don't grind for hours to purchase a PLEX to pay for my account monthly - to me, spending countless hours sitting at a asteroid belt mining rocks or running the same set of boring missions and pressing F1 on the same set of red boxes just seems a bit silly when I can simply hand CCP $15 per account a month to totally free me from self-imposed boredom.

That being said - if sitting at a belt and spending many many hours mining in order to purchase a PLEX to pay for an account so it can have more time to mine more and purchase the next PLEX is someone's personal idea of a fun time, more power to them! However, EVE does not allow them to play the game solo - they are in the sandbox, and by being undocked and doing what they find fun to do - they run the same risk we all do - the risk of someone else's idea of fun intersecting with their idea and causing some content to be created. That's what makes EVE wonderful!

Another thing that I "get" from ganking is a smile knowing that I have provided someone else with some content and that my actions have had a real impact on their gameplay. As I said earlier, this is what makes EVE special - in most MMO games this is just not possible in any meaningful way at all. It's one of the things that I really feel CCP totally got right when they created this game - the fact that any players actions can have some pretty serious positive or negative effects on another players or even groups of players is something special and awesome. This "something special" is what has made it pretty hard for me to ever really enjoy most other MMO games - after a short time of playing it becomes obvious that nothing any single player does really matters very much and the entire game will continue more or less in the exact same way regardless of if I choose to play it or not. World Of Warcraft is a perfect example of this.

I hope that gives you some insight into why some people gank. Of course, many other people who enjoy it probably have totally different and varied reasons of why they enjoy it. Whatever the personal reasons, I am delighted that ganking is part of basic game mechanics, working as intended, and a totally supported style of play in EVE. If it was taken away - I think EVE would lose a big part of what makes it such a unique and special game.

*Edit: Fixed a typo*

At risk of turning it into one of THOSE threads, here's why I gank, and fly with The New Order.

They're a great bunch of people. Early in this iteration of EVE (I've played off and on since beta), I hooked up with three different, decent sized "high sec PVE" corps, and each of them was, quite frankly, full of idiots. It gets utterly annoying to have people speculating about your gender, possession/lack of certain parts of anatomy, and sexual habits, every time you log in....and this from corp-mates.

The New Order, on the other hand, made me feel welcome and accepted. DJ even more so, as of late, has been doing a great job at keeping things chill, and respectful.

I'd much rather hang out with the "bad guys" and be treated like a person, than hang out with the "good guys" and be treated like dirt.

There is money to be made but it's still a **** tactic. EVE is a wonderful game and there are very few like it anymore,and I like that you can do what ever you like but, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Sadly EVE attracts some of the worst of the worst of the gaming community there are very few people I know who I would sit and have a beer with.

So are margin trading, space-hoovering, ninja-looting, combat site-storming and relic-bombing, but these dont seem to bother people as much as having to go to the "effort" of protecting a mining ship

I didnt say you did

I said you were not vocal about those activities, even though they are, as you say "**** tactics"

Also, I dont agree with your assertation that new-player miners are specifically targetted beyond any other age of player.

If you could also define a "perfect game", I very much like to know what you think it would include.

For me, the perfect MMORPG would be one without NPCs, which I believe EvE could be if it continues to evolve

What do NPCs provide that players cannot in that scenario?

I despise the idea that in a universe where the players are "god-like beings", we still have to accept the rule of primitive computer programs.

A nullsec invasion would give you your better AI and your more ships adn your having to fight for control of the empire without and endless tream of faceless, immersion-shattering robo-men

Really? Because Herr Wilkus literally said this just a few pages ago.