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250 Thrashers and 2 Weekends Later
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Hulk Basher
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2011-11-03 01:51:32 UTC
Woo Mi wrote:

Is this desirable from a game design point of view?


Hell yes it is.
Atrum Veneficus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2011-11-03 01:52:23 UTC
Hulk Basher wrote:
Woo Mi wrote:

Is this desirable from a game design point of view?


Hell yes it is.


I concur with this assessment.
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-11-03 07:21:03 UTC
Hulk Basher wrote:
Woo Mi wrote:

Is this desirable from a game design point of view?


Hell yes it is.


Right. I am not arguing for security, Concord is all about consequences, but what you're saying is that for people with enough money there are no relevant consequences in high-sec, and that this is a good thing.
Ludi Burek
The Player Haters Corp
#44 - 2011-11-03 09:44:11 UTC
Concord already punished the offending ship. Why should they attack the pod now?

All these "reasons" are short, soft "I'm mad :( " cries...
Cerisia
Red Phoenix Rising
#45 - 2011-11-03 10:45:23 UTC
Woo Mi wrote:
Hulk Basher wrote:
Woo Mi wrote:

Is this desirable from a game design point of view?


Hell yes it is.


Right. I am not arguing for security, Concord is all about consequences, but what you're saying is that for people with enough money there are no relevant consequences in high-sec, and that this is a good thing.



In short yes.

Eve is all about capitalism, with money comes power. In short the only way to 'win' Eve is to have so much money that you can pretty much do whatever you like.

Now for carebears this probably means pimped out faction fit mission running ships and fleets of hulks. For non-carebears this means ganking pimped out faction fitted ships and fleets of hulks.

It's all about how you play the game, what you enjoy and what your goals are. There is no right or wrong in this , it's just about what you do for pleasure in the sandbox.

And just think about this, if the ships weren't ganked then mineral prices would probably drop, ship selling prices would probably drop too and mining would become even more pointless than it is now.
This space for rent..
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2011-11-03 13:52:26 UTC
Ok, EVE is about capitalism and more money equals more power, so just watch your back.
The arguments about escalating consequences have apparently already been discussed some time ago:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_ganking_%28CSM%29
without any apparent solution, so I suspect I have just been rehashing earlier argumentsWhat?

Again, I am not advocating total security in high-sec, and the original poster has had a lot of fun. More power to him.

However, how many copycats would it take to make this really annoying to players? Or would this just be considered a temporary annoyance (like hulkageddon), as the perpetrators will get bored eventually?

It seems to me that the really rich alliances could keep this up in the high-sec trading hubs for months without any noticable costs.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#47 - 2011-11-03 16:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Woo Mi wrote:
Ok, EVE is about capitalism and more money equals more power, so just watch your back.
The arguments about escalating consequences have apparently already been discussed some time ago:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Suicide_ganking_%28CSM%29
without any apparent solution, so I suspect I have just been rehashing earlier argumentsWhat?

Again, I am not advocating total security in high-sec, and the original poster has had a lot of fun. More power to him.

However, how many copycats would it take to make this really annoying to players? Or would this just be considered a temporary annoyance (like hulkageddon), as the perpetrators will get bored eventually?

It seems to me that the really rich alliances could keep this up in the high-sec trading hubs for months without any noticable costs.


You have to look at it on both sides.

Gank = moar killmails is one side, the one I hope will become more present each and every day, so finally after another wave of leaving players will make them (CCP) understand ganking has it is right now is a very bad game design and far too easy.

The other side shows "some" corporations actively recruiting miners to null sec, they've never been so active than now.

Either ways they're just showing you that you just can't play for your bucks has you wish, either you play has they wish or they'll ruin your game.

Welcome to the sandbox.
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2011-11-03 18:10:21 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:

Welcome to the sandbox.


Yup, the sandbox isn't very big so by doing things like this big corps/alliances will be able to influence the game.

Now we'll just have to wait for a news item about Concord pilots staying home because they read the memo stating that they're being ineffectiveBlink
Hulk Basher
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2011-11-05 20:55:26 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
[quote=Woo Mi]
Welcome to the sandbox.


No sandcastles allowed :smug:
Celery Man
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2011-11-06 07:36:56 UTC
JackStraw56 wrote:
Approve of this service.


I can confirm an exellent service.
Would use again.
Hulk Basher
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2011-11-09 15:58:54 UTC
Oh dear, there appears to be a thrasher supply crunch.
guska Cryotank
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2011-11-30 12:01:10 UTC
I admire your dedication. I keep thinking that I want to do something like this, but then I realize that I'm lazy and really couldn't be arsed.
Hulk Smasher
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2011-11-30 15:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulk Smasher
L Salander wrote:
This is made all the better by implants being on pod kill mails now

It indeed got more awesome last night. With 13 thrashers I can confirm 2 4+ sets and 2 5+ sets (with mining mind links and other assorted implants). No wonder they never want to talk to me.
Oylmpia
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2011-12-02 03:23:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Oylmpia
WHY so many people hang out afk in their pods.. is there a reason for this?

Hopefully they lost billions of isk worth of implants.. but I doubt they will learn even then :D
Hulk Basher
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2011-12-05 20:07:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulk Basher
I killed a go floating in a naked pod next door to Jita with 2.5B in implants last Friday. Billions are lost.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#56 - 2011-12-06 03:51:51 UTC
Woo Mi wrote:
Hulk Basher wrote:
Woo Mi wrote:

Is this desirable from a game design point of view?


Hell yes it is.


Right. I am not arguing for security, Concord is all about consequences, but what you're saying is that for people with enough money there are no relevant consequences in high-sec, and that this is a good thing.

What has money got to do with it? It costs no money to fit out a FLEET of pod-killing Thrashers. I've got a dozen baking right now. They should be done by the time I get home from work tonight. Big smile

To the OP, check your losses. I would be interested to know how many free killmails you handed out to those pilots that were quick enough to catch you.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Hulk Basher
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2011-12-06 05:23:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Hulk Basher
At least 274 so far I think. Fleets have been gathering to tag me now to get that oh so prized 800k suicide thrasher.
Aggressive Nutmeg
#58 - 2011-12-06 07:13:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Aggressive Nutmeg
Hulk Basher wrote:
At least 274 so far I think. Fleets have been gathering to tag me now to get that oh so prized 800k suicide thrasher.

He he. Sounds about right.

It will be hard to find pods anywhere soon. So lap it up while it lasts.

Never make eye contact with someone while eating a banana.
Kharylien
Masked Rider Project
#59 - 2011-12-06 08:16:12 UTC
Woo Mi wrote:
Of course, lots of people say you can avoid this by flying ungankable ships or other shenanigans, but my main point is that there are no noticable repercussions for rich people that go on a systemic long term suicide ganking spree.
Is this desirable from a game design point of view?


Sure. It'll help dispose of their excess wealth.

If people want to spend their isk on this kind of thing, they can, basically.

Me, I think it's time to start manufacturing thrashers.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2011-12-06 15:27:13 UTC
Kharylien wrote:
Woo Mi wrote:
Of course, lots of people say you can avoid this by flying ungankable ships or other shenanigans, but my main point is that there are no noticable repercussions for rich people that go on a systemic long term suicide ganking spree.
Is this desirable from a game design point of view?


Sure. It'll help dispose of their excess wealth.

If people want to spend their isk on this kind of thing, they can, basically.

Me, I think it's time to start manufacturing thrashers.


god yes make more

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.